In all seriousness, should Twisted Fate not be built like hybrid Kayle?

LadyDevimon·Oct 16, 2017·1 votes·1,139 views

Lots of people like to ignore the ad stats and attack speed specialties of Twisted Fate when trying to come up with the best recommended builds. I mean, if you are just keeping up enough by going even and decent creep scores How can a mid lane Twisted Fate match up to a mid lane Kayle during the mid game when Kayle can bump into the enemy Yorick top laner and duel it out while a mid-game Twisted Fate could probably burst him at best if you go full AP ... . . . . ..

Do people not think that there is a reason there is an attack speed buff and some decent AD / AP hyper carry builds? How can you shred tanks if you follow Full AP Twisted Fate meta?

Please share your thoughts. Any corrections on my thoughts are welcome.

5 Comments

CamilleRule34Oct 16, 20171 votes

Any TF that doesnt build item 3100 item 3285 item 3165 isnt worth any time tbh.

Building TF with guinsoo's makes no sense. He already gets an attack speed thing from one of this abilities, sheen + luden's burst is the way to go, allows you to almost literally one shot most carries

KhristophorosOct 16, 20171 votes

I've tried autoattack focused TF builds before, in different seasons, with different items, in different metas. The result is always the same. He's too vulnerable to do it. With a full AP build with Lich Bane he can stun somebody and burst them, getting all his damage in there before he's forced to back off or worse. And with full AP he can throw cards from a safe distance for poke.

So eventually I just concluded that DPS TF isn't practical. It's too easy to pressure him to retreat or kill him.

Biscuit BiteOct 16, 20171 votes

Easy, the only reason TF gets an attack speed boost is because it helps him in the lane phase and to help him land his W faster on spot. He is a bursting champion.

Espy PsycheOct 16, 20171 votes

This is a symptom of a larger problem -- Nashor's Tooth and some other items are exceptionally weak, and the value of stats as a whole in the game are way off.

This is the same reason Orianna and Diana don't build Nashor's despite having synergy built into their kits, why Vayne built crit for the longest time instead of going on-hit, and why Lucian/Corki don't build Manamune.

There's several items in the game that need buffed, Nashor's and Manamune among them, but that won't solve the issue. The only thing that would fix this whole thing of "OP items" being better than "synergy items" is for the stats of Attack Damage and Ability Power as a whole to be reworked. There's only a couple of champions in the game that can justify building an Attack Speed item first, and that's because Attack Speed as a stat is too weak.

KhristophorosOct 16, 20171 votes

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This is a symptom of a larger problem -- Nashor's Tooth and some other items are exceptionally weak, and the value of stats as a whole in the game are way off.

This is the same reason Orianna and Diana don't build Nashor's despite having synergy built into their kits, why Vayne built crit for the longest time instead of going on-hit, and why Lucian/Corki don't build Manamune.

There's several items in the game that need buffed, Nashor's and Manamune among them, but that won't solve the issue. The only thing that would fix this whole thing of "OP items" being better than "synergy items" is for the stats of Attack Damage and Ability Power as a whole to be reworked. There's only a couple of champions in the game that can justify building an Attack Speed item first, and that's because Attack Speed as a stat is too weak.

Teemo and Kayle can use Nashor's Tooth effectively because they benefit a lot from the attack speed.

Diana is melee so she needs to build tank if she wants to autoattack reliably in teamfights. You can just build her burst and not worry about that. Nashor's doesn't work in a tank build, as it requires AP. Diana could get away with a Wit's End in theory, but her burst build is so strong why even bother with some tank bullshit?

Orianna can sorta get away with throwing some autoattacks but her passive is not strong enough to justify an autoattack focused build so she isn't enough of a threat with that build, especially compared to the burst she's capable of if she builds full AP.

Vayne gets a huge AD boost in her ult so she's better off scaling that AD with crit. Her W is NOT her strongest feature. That's just a stupid meme perpetrated by silver/bronze players.

Building onhit isn't about the items being strong enough compared to crit or AP or whatever. It's about having a champion kit with enough synergy with those items.