Why is AP MF slowly becoming worse and worse?

NazZomLord·3/11/2017, 2:26:47 AM·19 votes·2,585 views

Is their a reason why they just randomly touch her AP ratios to make them worse, i am just curious to know what is wrong with playing AP. Her Q was recently lowered as well as her mini rework making it considerably worse.

33 Comments

fuffychan3/11/2017, 2:29:04 AM11 votes

They need to nerf that support MF with item 3303 because its clearly dominant and overbearing

Hige3/11/2017, 8:00:33 AM7 votes

it's not because Riot hates MF, there is an inherent truth about off builds ratios, they are there because in the past there were items that gave a bit of AP, so when you built those, you wouldn't feel like it's a waste of gold because you're getting an item that has AP... for example, you got to scale with Triforce no matter what because sheen used to be made with an amp tome

This is what riot calls extra power, when they find an OP champion, Riot tries to keep what made the champion interesting in the first place, for example, for MF is her lethality build mostly because it has a crazy damage output, so they try to keep the crazy damage while removing power in areas where it's not needed and often times extra ratios are the perfect target for this

You might say that MF doesn't build ANYTHING with AP and I agree with you, she doesn't but you'd be forgetting that there's a great amount of AP distributed throughout the game, with Baron and Supports buying Zeke's and whatnot, lowering her AP ratios would cut down these edge cases enough for her to have less free power from outside sources and ultimately making her easier to deal with

invisiblecat13/11/2017, 2:50:46 AM2 votes

Because MF is an adc, and AP MF is a troll pick and a different playstyle that should not be viable

RottedApples3/11/2017, 6:35:26 AM2 votes

because riot hates fun and everything that used to be able to be played as full ap for fun has slowly been taken out of the game.

Zane Zephyr3/11/2017, 2:59:32 AM2 votes

They gutted her E base damage which really, really hurt AP MF.

SaltyKracka3/11/2017, 2:28:23 AM2 votes

They don't give a shit.

Calabok3/11/2017, 3:48:50 AM1 votes

its a good thing.

Superior Current3/11/2017, 7:50:15 AM1 votes

They lowered her Q base damage and AP and AD ratio and on the second shot to match the one on first shot. They are rebuffing her Q on PBE, but the AP ratio is ofcourse forgotten...

Teridax683/11/2017, 8:41:54 AM1 votes

I think AP MF is a good example of why item-based build diversity is largely illusory in League: ideally, you'd want a champion to pick up two completely different sets of items, and end up with two separate, yet equally interesting and viable playstyles; in practice, Riot always prioritizes one build over all others, mostly because there aren't really enough levels to tweak properly for two or more builds on most champions. If AP MF suddenly ended up becoming competitive to the point of demanding its own balance changes, doing so could harm AD MF, which will always be implicitly recognized as her "main" build, and so her alternate builds aren't given as much love as they'd need to succeed.

What recently happened with MF were essentially just balance changes, mainly intended to limit her late-game poke, and so purely directed at her AD (Lethality) build. Her AP build was not at all considered during that change, which is why it came off worse for wear. It's not really possible to expect anything different in the game's current framework, in part because Riot already often struggles to deal with champions that just have one build, what with all of the systems they're tied to, and have had almost universally bad experiences with champions becoming too successful alternate builds. I'd like this to change, though I also think the current AD/AP item separation is part of the problem as well.

THE RlVER KlNG3/11/2017, 2:41:09 PM1 votes

Because AD MF is oppressive as fuck and god tier bot lane

Sayonara Shabi3/11/2017, 2:42:10 PM1 votes

because its cancer nobody gives a shit about "its fun to playXDDD" its super unfun to play against

Spoofghoul3/11/2017, 7:56:15 PM1 votes

what rito been doing is seeing AD mf do well then they hit her ap side as to minimally hit the ad side of her and see it it is enough

LordGeovanni3/11/2017, 8:39:46 PM1 votes

why should ap mf exist when aatrox lost his hybrid abilites

resumed3/11/2017, 2:29:49 AM1 votes

its likely targeted at competitive where miss fortune support is finding success with item 3151 and item 2301

Zielmann3/11/2017, 2:30:14 AM1 votes

Yeah, it's aimed at support MF.

x R U K A x3/11/2017, 2:31:57 AM1 votes

I don't understand why she had AP ratios on her abilities to begin with, she's an ADC, the only ability of hers that should have an AP ratio is her E.

GeminiRune3/11/2017, 2:44:05 AM1 votes

Frankly the Q to me doesn't serve much impact to the rest of the AP Fortune kit. It's just less damage but I normally use it for a Sheen proc startup if I'm close enough anyway. As long as they don't revert the E to its pre-marksman update range, I won't see much of a complete shutdown of an AP build.

Asayake 5150glow3/11/2017, 3:01:24 AM1 votes

Maybe the fact that her E is undodgeable damage which actually really hurts with AP MF?

Maybe to nerf Baron on her?

That second one's just a random idea. I think the first is pretty legit though - AP MF has a lot of long range, undodgeable damage, which is also a slow. Add that to her speed boost, and you'll never get near her.