Worst Community Ever

Br0ch0choo··12 votes·8,690 views

So I'm a noob in 2020, and after having played league for about 4 months I have concluded that his has got to be the worst gaming community in PC games. Every game someone either flames or griefs, quits early or spams Pings. It gets irritating, and at times it just simply ruins the whole experience. And this is only Lvl19 >_>

I haven't even started playing ranked and people take their games like it was their job, its ridiculous. I want to play a game where we can strategize in chat not get yelled at and called a POS for going 1/5. Literally the past 5 games I've had to report someone for being toxic and tilting hard, receiving penalty notifications.

I've played Overwatch and CS GO so much more without experiencing so much verbal cancer. You guys need to start banning people from chat for longer or something. I'm at a point that the community is so shit so it makes not want to log on.

What gives? Is this game dead?

55 Comments

Hordes6616 votes

Riot completely fucked over the matchmaking for average players. Now everyone is pissed and it shows.

Br0ch0choo6 votes

I don't get it. How does the matchmaking now make everyone toxic af

Hordes6610 votes

Hey! Top lane..dying repeatedly is bad (0-3 in 10 mins). You're going to lose the entire match by yourself when he snowballs.

"Stop being toxic"

Kai Guy2 votes

One question, how many accounts do you have on the boards and how many times have I wasted my time repeating the same information for you? Your history and your behavior with me looks a lot like another poster. I don't want to make the claim your the same guy but I am honestly curious if that's the case?

Beacon Academy3 votes

Its almost as if its a common opinion.

Kai Guy3 votes

Oh it absolutely is a common opinion. Hell its not even exclusive to League as you can find identical threads in most of PvP team games.

But I am asking them bluntly as there are 2 posters who engage with me the same way, with the same champions, using same runes, running the same builds, at the same rank, make the same threads, and use the same buzzwords, Demanding folks harass the same Dev's Twitter, Both who refuse to answer really simple Yes or No questions and do not judge MM by the way its designed.

I am aware that Its possible that's just a coincidence. So its not difficult for Horde to just state that they are different people and I will leave it alone and treat the two accounts as different people.

I am better with numbers then social interactions so please let me know, Does that feel unfair?

Br0ch0choo2 votes

This is my first account in League >_>

Kai Guy2 votes

That is directed to hordes not you bud. Your fine.

Edit. You can use this https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/myupdates to find when some one is directly replying to you or in your thread.

Kai Guy7 votes

I don't get it. How does the matchmaking now make everyone toxic af

It does not. Its just used as an excuse. For behavior mostly cuz you will see players who think they don't belong at their rank flame teammates and write non stop critiques of teammates and generally harass the shit out of folks till they get banned. They then pull that shit in games on a new account. You also find dicks who make fresh accounts to try and pub stomp newbies. They suck. Later on when you get to ranked, if you end up in lower MMR you will find similar behavior where higher skill players will try to tank their account to make it into games to pubstomp.

Horde is unable to say much about MM in any detail. Just a lot of complaints. He also judges a matches quality a little after the start rather then at the conclusion which I find silly. Competition requires you to play to win after all. I really tried to help him understand the basic concept behind it but the dude does not care to learn. I personally like Elo systems so if your ever interested in the topic just find me, its cool math but I get that's not everybody's interests.

If you ever need some one to play with by all means just add me. Theres no other way to say it, The new player experience really is terrible and the community does often always make an effort to help.

There are some discords dedicated to assisting folks and some people on the boards who are here to actually help newcomers, I don't have one I can endorse as I don't participate or use any.

If nothing else, I recommend you become hard to tilt and use mute for that if you need. Hold down Tab to bring up scoreboard in game, you can then mute chat, emote, pings for a player by the icons next to their name. Its very helpful if you find harassment to be annoying.

You can try to grind AI vs bots to 30 to get some of the stuck in ban loop players out of your life, honestly its kind of dull thou and has Bot accounts in it that power level accounts mindlessly. Aram can be a good place to play but.... also hella rng and you will still meet real assholes.

Hordes666 votes

Even if I had a theoretical understanding of exactly 0%, I would still know and understand the concept of an mmr system well enough to say that whatever it is they're doing, isn't working. At the day's end, all anyone really cares about is whether the current iteration of the system in place, and its adjustable variables is able to put together quality/enjoyable/competitive games. The actual nuts and bolts behind it are unknown because its a proprietary system based on mmr. Whatever, chocolate flavoring is based on actual chocolate. Does it taste like chocolate, or does it taste like shit? Literally nobody is going to bite into it and ask what's the concentration of a synthetic phenethylamine derivative in the sample and then pretend its perfectly okey dokey because its based on chocolate. The matchmaker is able to be tuned, adjusted and changed. Its not a static entity.

Jng Account3 votes

How is it not working tho?

Hordes663 votes

This person is frustrated and raging, but one of the issues he and others have experienced is on display.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Gb84uPoA-solo-duo-carrying-is-impossible

"I am so done with dealing with idiots who I am supposed to carry."

G0blinSlay3r2 votes

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How is it not working tho?

Same way you can't tell the difference between 2 different accounts and people.

Kai Guy2 votes

Tail ends of curve have very clear skill gaps. That's working quite consistently and well my friend.

Gameplay however still is about gameplay. Turns out Mobas often snowball and shitty player behavior ruins games. Like it did prior to ANY MM EVER in Dota allstars. Who ever would have guessed.

Meanwhile the metaphor your making is like some one claiming Steak is a vegan dish. You cant throw the basic definition out for something that blatantly contradicts it and call the two equivalent. I wont even get into the hypocrisy in your claim I cant discuss the topic with out Riots values but its totally ok for you to make multiple claims on its functionality, mostly cuz its self evident when pointed out. Lood dude, the Logic concepts behind MMR cant be violated to such an gross level the system does not function at all and still be defined as a MMR system. This system works around averages. Even with pure RNG uncontroled variables, if you have different averages it still works to sort by averages. Law of Large numbers is a pretty cool tool.

By all means, go ahead and make a claim that Riot Is not using MMR if you want. Then... you know... support it with something besides "Cuz I told you so!"

I don't get you. Like dude your belief in Statistics is so high you think it predicts the future 100%. Don't get upset, this is from Your own words.

Some one asked you how MM can predict champions. Your response is STATS! [zombie-brand-facepalm]

You think Riot Is so ridiculously good at statistical usage they LITERALLY PREDICT THE FUTURE. Yes, that deserves caps lock because ffs that's an unrealistic viewpoint And then ya turn around to think, and just to call attention to it again, with a fucking Mathematic magic crystal ball of future telling.... they also are incapable of good MM?

Hordes661 votes

I don't feel a need to respond to any more of your nonsense. The community has already done so. Goodbye.

Kai Guy2 votes

You literally feel the need to respond to me as you did so just now.

What you lack is the ability to answer me.

No big deal.

Br0ch0choo4 votes

Are you saying that most ppl in low ELO have been banned?

That explains it, regardless... I’m quite close to just quitting the game after a few more games full of toxic people. If there’s not a good player base to play with then why bother.

Zemasu1 votes

I suggest you to mute all at the start of the game while you play in low level games, it will be a table flip trust me

Kai Guy2 votes

Are you saying that most ppl in low ELO have been banned?

No. I don't have that Data to support any accuracy for the claim. I feel like its a mixed bag, That Said The folks who get banned and refuse to leave the game will often make a new account... I have known a few.

The problem boils down to distribution. 10% is not considered a very high value by most folks. But lets pretend exactly 10% of the population in Pre 30 games are excessively Toxic. That's the same as saying 1 in 10 as 1/10=10%. This would make it basically constant given the game has 10 people in it per match. Where as actual Toxicity is RNG off population logged in on any give day.

Because its a PvP game, player behaviors make a huge impact and can really suck the fun away from things. Its... not exactly league exclusive. The ease of making a new account does not help but the F2P model has some real perks to it for players.

You need to figure out if you really enjoy the gameplay enough to invest your time into it. I love mobas, So I am happy to play. A lot of Playerbase issues for teammates are solved by using Premades and messing around with Friends.

I also play Smite and HotS. I don't think the player base is much different and even in different game genera's I find this to be a pretty common issue in Team games. Ideally, community of folks you like is the best way to play.

True Garen1 votes

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Are you saying that most ppl in low ELO have been banned?

That explains it, regardless... I’m quite close to just quitting the game after a few more games full of toxic people. If there’s not a good player base to play with then why bother.

No. But almost every match sub-lvl 30 contains one or two such.

Riot hazes new players because they are too lazy and cheap to responsibly police the environment that they own. Their policy here does set a bad example for young people. Much to recommend about LoL and Riot, but your post concerns one of the greatest flaws.

Kai Guy2 votes

I made a new account last season because folks complained nonstop about supports being low impact in Silver MMR. I saw far more punishment alerts for the reports I sent in when I was sub 30 then I did grinding from b1 to G4 or on my main.

A Problem I see is they don't really have a good toolkit for handling the folks they ban from making a new account 30 seconds later.

True Garen1 votes

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A Problem I see is they don't really have a good toolkit for handling the folks they ban from making a new account 30 seconds later.

They don't even try.

True Garen1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k5K8IOh3,comment-id=000000000001000100020000,timestamp=2020-02-18T21:49:25.388+0000)

I made a new account last season because folks complained nonstop about supports being low impact in Silver MMR. I saw far more punishment alerts for the reports I sent in when I was sub 30 then I did grinding from b1 to G4 or on my main.

A Problem I see is they don't really have a good toolkit for handling the folks they ban from making a new account 30 seconds later.

So the garbage that you found below lvl 30 are repeatedly offending and repeatedly reported, whereas those in Silver are only actually occasionally offensive or else savvier about staying under the radar of the conduct bots.

Kai Guy1 votes

The tolerance for low exp accounts also looks to be lower.

But yea people actively look to avoid punishments and find ways to abuse the system for knowen values. Less AFK rage quits, more soft innting where you just evade objectives and stat pad.

Less Ban words get used and more passive aggressive ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ping and emote spam.

Going off Red comments in the Player behavior board. I would guess that Riot uses an escalation system on established accounts. Punishments are harsher going off frequency of negative behavior.

That said, They still don't have much in place to keep highly toxic players away from the game.

Personally I would aim to make the game a bit more community oriented. More 5 man groups and turn the club into a functional Clan system. Give players some Player moderation tool kits so that some one whos intentionally awful can be removed and never have to deal with them again. I like strategy and building a team game plan in a team game rewards that, So this is undeniably a very Biased suggestion for what I enjoy.

Phone # and IP address present some options riot can use but there's arguments vs why its not great as well.

Xonra3 votes

Imagine a large Dam holding back water that has constantly risen over the years, but that Damn held up for a decade despite a few cracks here and there.

Now take basically Riot in 2020 and they smashed a big hole in the center of the damn and all the built up frustration over all the years of little things are pouring out all at once and people are just not trying to hold it in anymore.

Basically it's a case of "riot clearly doesn't care anymore so fuck it I'm angry".Not justifying it as much as factually explaining it because that's what it is. It's a Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of build up and finally something had to give and people are angry and not holding it in.

ElnyrJhodo13 votes

Riots garbage matchmaking has frustrated everyone to the point that no one can take the game seriously. Even those that want to, which means everyone I know has quit the game, and I fucking hate myself for not quitting.

Riot just FUCKS you with matching. I'm so fucking sick of it, its fucking insane.

I think i'm actually done with this fucking game. I'm getting so close. Its just such fucking garbage. I can't handle this shit anymore.

kaitlynfeartech2 votes

solidarity, bro :(

BigFBear5 votes

This season it's way worse than in previous seasons imho. But this toxicity is generated by Riot itself. I play this game since Season 3. Although people complaining about the game every season I enjoyed it so far. But this season feels so frustrating. It just feels so coinflip and I kinda have 0 impact on my games. Idk if it's my champ (Voli) or my lane (jungler). I peaked Dia2 Promos in Season 9 and now I stuck in Plat4 with 47% winrate on 300 games. In Preseason I was Dia3 and climbing even with the jungle nerfs and now i can do what I want. Often I am Ace or MVP but that doesn't change a thing when you have a 0:6 top and a 3:12 botlane after 10 minutes. This is very frustrating and I can understand why people are in a bad mood and flame more.

I started drawing again now and will try to play less games a week because i realized that i feel bad while playing this game. I am angry and frustrated and full of hate playing a game that usually gave me a fun time. That's not what a game should feel like. And I don't want to spend my free time being in a shit mood. Will be a challenge because I am fucking addicted to this shit.

HideSide1 votes

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This season it's way worse than in previous seasons imho. But this toxicity is generated by Riot itself. I play this game since Season 3. Although people complaining about the game every season I enjoyed it so far. But this season feels so frustrating. It just feels so coinflip and I kinda have 0 impact on my games. Idk if it's my champ (Voli) or my lane (jungler). I peaked Dia2 Promos in Season 9 and now I stuck in Plat4 with 47% winrate on 300 games. In Preseason I was Dia3 and climbing even with the jungle nerfs and now i can do what I want. Often I am Ace or MVP but that doesn't change a thing when you have a 0:6 top and a 3:12 botlane after 10 minutes. This is very frustrating and I can understand why people are in a bad mood and flame more.

I started drawing again now and will try to play less games a week because i realized that i feel bad while playing this game. I am angry and frustrated and full of hate playing a game that usually gave me a fun time. That's not what a game should feel like. And I don't want to spend my free time being in a shit mood. Will be a challenge because I am fucking addicted to this shit.

This is why I dont play rankeds... I had never played until I had a lot of argues with some ppl that if I was right on what I am saying and then I would be also good enough to climb out of silver, so they called me out that I am just noob who is just crying who is just crying and calling myself unlucky. So I decided to play few game just to get fkin 11 times out of first 15 games, trolls, feeders, cry babys, ppl that trow the game because of their gigantic ego while having 0/6, few afkers and really lot of noobs that deserve to be forever in wood division. ( 1/5 cass called me "KDA player" just because I had 6/0 while being busy stomping those who she just fed, to who she just handed over 5 kills. And those 5 kills werent from just any mistake under pressure. They were fkin clear INT.) One of those games I had sylas/zed who went afk because yasuo beat his ass, all of us had 0/2 or 0/3 and I remembered that someone once told me that I dont deserve to be in higher elo because I am too pessimistic ( when I was just talking about cases exactly like these... And that I get distracted while in reality I dont...) so I tried to be as cheerful as possible, I talked it out with team so that they wont surrender, thanks to my experience with Fiora I managed guide Fiora, almost single handedly turned whole 5v4 game and when we was about to win I went to get drake as cherry on cake and my team who could easily end it ( exactly it was caitlyn who was only one stubborn enough to pull whole team to the bottom via /ff command ): "Lol, we wanted to surrender and now we are winning." meanwhile whole team just throwed the game and gave enemy team second chance ( that was my first mistake, to count with my team). So, as I feared, enemy team used the second chance they got and started pulling the game in their favor and when I managed to pull it back to us I did second mistake and died on miscalculation ( not on throw, on miscalculation where I didnt foresaw something I couldnt even foresaw but could avoid if I did different choice which wasnt even that risky to begin with) and then they managed to end the game 5v3 as easily as if those 3 even werent in the game. The point I want to tell is that I did just 2 fkin mistakes that wouldnt happen if my team intentionally didnt throw and I got flamed by 9/11 fkin useless caitlyn, of all teammates it was that caitlyn that was whole game only useless and as only person and even tried to backfire everything, she flamed me, me 19/6 rengar who single handedly managed to turn whole game in our favor... I would also like to say that I hadnt played ranked because exactly of reasons BigFBear is talking about. If I am supposed to play with such trash even in high elo, whats the point of climbing then? Why should even hurt myself this much just for climbing to begin with and what do I really get for it? Why should I suffer so much? I will rather hold onto normals where I dont have to climb to at least sometime play with ppl from plat and low diamond and dont always have to carry this load of sh;t...

kaitlynfeartech3 votes

I'm sorry to hear you're having a rough experience with the playerbase. imo part of it is due the state of the game itself right now. For one thing, there seem to be no actual consequences from Riot if you int/afk/dodge/dc/whatever. For another, one person getting very ahead on the enemy team within the first 15 minutes could very well mean the game is over, the result has been determined, just because of how hard it is to make a comeback against an enemy that is snowballing hard. Most games I experience are stomp or be stomped; it's very rare I get a good experience where both teams are more evenly matched and we can save ourselves from losing by minute 20. The "snowball meta" as it's called seems to encourage flaming and toxicity just because it can be so frustrating and one-sided, and many people have resulted to intentionally feeding just because they know there will be no consequences. It's a sad time to be introducing yourself to this game. Riot doesn't seem interested in our feedback

Br0ch0choo2 votes

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I'm sorry to hear you're having a rough experience with the playerbase. imo part of it is due the state of the game itself right now. For one thing, there seem to be no actual consequences from Riot if you int/afk/dodge/dc/whatever. For another, one person getting very ahead on the enemy team within the first 15 minutes could very well mean the game is over, the result has been determined, just because of how hard it is to make a comeback against an enemy that is snowballing hard. Most games I experience are stomp or be stomped; it's very rare I get a good experience where both teams are more evenly matched and we can save ourselves from losing by minute 20. The "snowball meta" as it's called seems to encourage flaming and toxicity just because it can be so frustrating and one-sided, and many people have resulted to intentionally feeding just because they know there will be no consequences. It's a sad time to be introducing yourself to this game. Riot doesn't seem interested in our feedback

I have experienced this myself. It’s quite rare to see a game go down to the wire.

If Riot doesn’t care that this is how players are introduced to the game... then maybe I’ll go play something else

Jaghatai3 votes

I think the game was better when Tribunal was a thing. I think people feared the eyes of a stranger more than the algorithms of a bot.

That being said ... I've played exactly one solo-queue game since season 2 because the experience was so toxic that I never wanted to return to that scene.

I liked playing ranked 3's with my team. I LOVED Dominion So I found other places to play ... now they are gone and I don't know what I'm going to do with this ancient account.

Also ... I think things really started downhill when Riot changed the discussion boards to the Reddit style and drove away the very active community.

BigMoodOhYeah2 votes

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What gives? Is this game dead?

yeah def not like its a multi-billion company with still a fast growing player base with already billions of accounts and the largest esport out there right now.

But yes, the community is bad. However, you also have to look at it from all sides. While yes, you may be new, but your most likely not playing with new players. They are probably smurf accounts. This most likely means that they know what your doing wrong and that tilts them because they have grinded the game out and you haven't and that loses the game. Your passivity toward getting better at the game can loose a game of league. Its at a REALLY bad place right now where one person doing poorly is the difference from winning and losing. Honestly, if your looking to have fun playing, go to ARAM, AURF, or TFT. Otherwise, start grinding. Watch tutorials (no flame) and actively try to get better. Some metas open the game up for a loose and funner gameplay.

Two other things. You can look for a group of friends to play with instead of randos. That makes it a much better experience. Another BIG thing is the fact that you can disable chat through settings. This can help when your getting flamed or if you are flaming. Just turn chat off and focus on winning the game.

If your not concerned about winning, gtfo. please just go now. nobody wants someone who doesnt care about winning ESPECIALLY in ranked

True Garen1 votes

unfortunately lvl 5-25 are a cesspool of toxic permabanned players returning to inflict themselves on the segment least equipped to deal with it. These behaviours continue to exist past lvl 30, but highly concentrated below it. (Riot system of dealing with incorrigible players tends to promote this situation, and Runes reforged probably also exacerbated, if that is even possible to imagine.)

Suggest play with a group of friends if you can. You will lose even more often, because premades at these low levels always contain "smurfs". But at least your teammates, hopefully, will be nicer. Maybe you can even find a 'smurf" of your own to carry you. Eventually, playing with full premades, you will conclude that the game is hardly winnable ever, by the time that you turn past lvl 30 or 35. By that time, it may be safe to try some soloq norms again.

As a new player, you might play co-op. The matches tend to be quite friendly and social. There are those who devote themselves to co-op. Co-op matches give XP, at least. ... Ah... but don't rush into ranked play. The potential for comparable unpleasantness until one has learned enough to actually qualify beyond the lowest echelons. Which could take a rather long time. But why learn in an angry, unpleasant environment, what might be gained just as well with more pleasant company?

Br0ch0choo1 votes

Only time the game is worth playing is when I queue with a coworker. That said, why isn’t there a matchmaking system for people that have high honor (aka don’t flame).

True Garen1 votes

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Only time the game is worth playing is when I queue with a coworker. That said, why isn’t there a matchmaking system for people that have high honor (aka don’t flame).

Game isn't that big/ sadly the population of such players is pathetic.

TheRunicBlade1 votes

Playing alone in matches definitely can lead to a negative gaming experience, especially as a noob due to all the smurfing at those levels. Id recommend trying to find a friend group to play with. Makes the game a lot more enjoyable :) [slayer-jinx-wink]

True Garen1 votes

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Playing alone in matches definitely can lead to a negative gaming experience, especially as a noob due to all the smurfing at those levels. Id recommend trying to find a friend group to play with. Makes the game a lot more enjoyable :) [slayer-jinx-wink]

On the one hand, your friends are less likely to flame you. On the other hand, playing with premades, as a new player, drastically increases the chance of an advanced player on the enemy team.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

huhndog1 votes

I would argue that Overwatch is worse because theres more babyraging than flaming

Br0ch0choo1 votes

There is a younger audience for sure, but I take that less seriously, and it doesn’t really affect gameplay all that much.

Jaghatai1 votes

Overwatch was arguably the most toxic experience I've had in gaming ... it took me exactly one match to find and disable all chat functionality

Xonra1 votes

You clearly haven't played any other online games, bud. this is far from the worst. Go play Dota, Overwatch, CS:GO, pretty much any Blizzard game and then come back. You are literally lying if you saying Overwatch and CS:GO are better because I play CS:GO and have played plenty of Overwatch and they are both significantly worse.

This ain't even the worst of the games currently active let alone ever. You are either very very sensitive and like using hyperbole, or haven't played many online games.

Br0ch0choo3 votes

Did you not read my post all the way through???

I played tons of Overwatch and CS:GO. People don’t really care to flame on quickplay (as far as I have seen). I played Halo 2 on Xbox live (considered one of the worst player bases) when I was 12 and even then it shadows in comparison to this game.

But I think the arcade/fast paced nature of the game causes less people to immediately flame after a match starts. Because anything can happen play by play, maybe it’s different for MOBAs.

So quick to judge without reading my post thoroughly.

Blue Shift1 votes

What is your account name / region for Overwatch?

My guess is you are around 2200-2500, those people are chill as fuck and just play to have a great time and talk. You have no idea how horrible the Overwatch community actually is.

2400 hours in CSGO, probably around there in OW, and much more in League. Overwatch is by FAR the worst and nothing will ever come close to the level of toxicity.

League is bad right now only due to how horrible the game itself is, league has always been tilting and got a rep for being toxic because it's just a natural reaction to things that happen in League added to the fact that you are stuck in that same tilting game for much longer than others.

Look up smash players throwing their controllers or COD salty moments, toxicity is everywhere in gaming and is just natural. People only think it's worse because the "normies" took the word toxic and misinterpreted it as just a blanket term for rude.

Cycera1 votes

Eh, you'll get used to it. Just mute and do your best. It's shitty for sure, but it's a struggle we all must overcome if we truly love the game.

I don't really like solo queue to be honest. My friends got me into it and it's so much easier to deal with when you aren't alone. If you find funny people to queue with, it becomes a really fun game.

AZ Emissary1 votes

add me and lets play. :D

Gooey Brown Hole1 votes

"Worst Community Ever"

It's 2020 and you're just learning this?

Fangorang1 votes

DEAD GAME

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