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Many ADCs lack skill requirement

DrillThoseTeeth··6 votes·1,690 views

My main issue with this game are the champions which only have to right click. Most ADCs are simply right click = penta. I am curious if ADCs are supposed to be this way, or if they are too strong. Either way, I think that the champions which require more mechanical skill should do more damage and generate higher rewards, meanwhile in botlane there is a Jinx who simply right clicked and got a double kill. Reply with how you feel about ADCs.

33 Comments

Kaìju13 votes

The thing about ADC is that while it is overturned right now due to item prices, they still require skill. No other class in the game aside from assassins is so position and mechanically intensive. And you say "right click mechanics" try and stutter step at 2.14 attack speed with only right clicks in a minion wave. "But that's not normal" yes it is, most ADCs that go double Zeal get above 2.0 attack speed because of Zeals, Grieves, and maybe runes plus Bork. Not to mention they are a generally low mobility class with very little survivability besides hope your team cares about you. You say that marksmen are low skill, what about Sona, Soraka, Malphite, Maokai, Xerath. These champions either just sit back and hit the same spell over and over again, or go in and face roll while being hard to kill. Marksmen are not hard, but they are mechanically intensive in a different way. Going from one class of champ to a other, how many of an ADCs mechanics transfer? Not many because there are very few solely auto attack based champions. Yi, Xin, and maybe a few others.

Enderspider4 votes

ahem, what about kiting? using qss properly? teamfight positioning? dodging skillshots as you are the most vulnerable class in the game? if you think adcs are too easy I'm pretty sure you haven't played adc much. (coming from a mid/top main btw)

Tychusfindlay9184 votes

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ahem, what about kiting? using qss properly? teamfight positioning? dodging skillshots as you are the most vulnerable class in the game? if you think adcs are too easy I'm pretty sure you haven't played adc much. (coming from a mid/top main btw)

None of those are unique to ADCs with perhaps kiting being the only exception in MOST cases.

"teamfight positioning"

Oh please, fighters have a much harder time with that one than ADCs.

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Just dropping in that a lot of fighters like camille, jax, aatrox, kled also need to "kite" just towards the enemy instead of away from the enemy. There is nothing "unique" about them. Yes they are squishier than a lot of fighters but they have range to compensate for that.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

There is no such thing as kiting forward. Kiting is backwards to dance around the edge of your AA range while keeping consistant DPS. Melee champs dont kite forward, they just rush the enemy until he is dead.

Also camile jax and kled have plenty of tools to get on their target and lock them making "kiting forward" kinda useless, also while having the luxury of building defensive items with only 1 or 2 damage items.

DrAtomMagnumMDPh1 votes

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There is no such thing as kiting forward. Kiting is backwards to dance around the edge of your AA range while keeping consistant DPS. Melee champs dont kite forward, they just rush the enemy until he is dead.

Also camile jax and kled have plenty of tools to get on their target and lock them making "kiting forward" kinda useless, also while having the luxury of building defensive items with only 1 or 2 damage items.

Actualy theres is, its the same as rangeds aa animation canceling. A lot of people do not realize it because its not as spectacular as in the case of rangeds. Its a key skill to learn if you want to learn meeles, especialy if you are a phage user.

DrillThoseTeeth2 votes

You are right, I have not played ADC as much as other roles, however I understand how to play msot of them. I find playing as some ADCs to be boring because all you have to do is right click and then use 1 ability. Examples of good ADCs in my opinion: Draven, Vayne, Varus, Xayah. Vayne and Draven because of their mechanically challenging kit and lack of escapes. Varus because he is one of the few ADCs which rely on skillshots during fights aside from their ults. Xayah because she needs to focus on her feathers and manage cooldowns. I find Xayah and Draven to be the best ADCs in my opinion.

DrAtomMagnumMDPh1 votes

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You are right, I have not played ADC as much as other roles, however I understand how to play msot of them. I find playing as some ADCs to be boring because all you have to do is right click and then use 1 ability. Examples of good ADCs in my opinion: Draven, Vayne, Varus, Xayah. Vayne and Draven because of their mechanically challenging kit and lack of escapes. Varus because he is one of the few ADCs which rely on skillshots during fights aside from their ults. Xayah because she needs to focus on her feathers and manage cooldowns. I find Xayah and Draven to be the best ADCs in my opinion.

+1 m8. Except i don,t find xayah that difficult, nor vayne, anymore than other adcs. I left the adc role for months (i played kindred as adc, who the shitiest in that role) after i got my second level 7 mastery with her because it so easy if you have a not half braindead support. All other classes have the same skill requirements at least. Except positioning is 550-125=425 units easier than meeles. Not long ago i started to play again after discovering jhin, who is kind of unique because the ammo system (one of the reasons that my new jungl main is graves :D).

DrillThoseTeeth1 votes

Yea, I love Jhin and Graves! They are fairly fun, and medium difficulty to pickup. The ammo system is glorious, especially Graves' because of the E reset.

SnowLeopard913 votes

If you don't count cs, positioning, trading, target selection, adaptive itemization, and champion mechanics as skill requirements, then sure.

Tychusfindlay9184 votes

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If you don't count cs, positioning, trading, target selection, adaptive itemization, and champion mechanics as skill requirements, then sure.

"cs"

We all do that, minus supports

"positioning"

Juggernauts have a much harder time with that game

"trading"

We all do that, even supports

"target selection"

We all do that

"adaptive itemization"

ADCs just stack on crit or lethality, and maybe get some lifesteal or a QSS, in fact, they have the most stale itemization in the game, very cookie cutter in all elos.

"champion mechanics"

All champions have it, and most champions have skillshots or conditional spells as their primary source of doing what they do, ADCs rely heavily on just right clicking shit.

Go troll somewhere else. Unless if you play draven, your champ takes little skill.

NemeBro2 votes

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"cs"

We all do that, minus supports

"positioning"

Juggernauts have a much harder time with that game

"trading"

We all do that, even supports

"target selection"

We all do that

"adaptive itemization"

ADCs just stack on crit or lethality, and maybe get some lifesteal or a QSS, in fact, they have the most stale itemization in the game, very cookie cutter in all elos.

"champion mechanics"

All champions have it, and most champions have skillshots or conditional spells as their primary source of doing what they do, ADCs rely heavily on just right clicking shit.

Go troll somewhere else. Unless if you play draven, your champ takes little skill.

The majority of ADCs take more skill than the majority of juggernauts, and the highest skill ADCs are harder than the hardest juggernaut. Your bitterness towards the role/class doesn't change that my friend.

DrAtomMagnumMDPh1 votes

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The majority of ADCs take more skill than the majority of juggernauts, and the highest skill ADCs are harder than the hardest juggernaut. Your bitterness towards the role/class doesn't change that my friend.

Bitternes? Maybe more like disapointment? ;)

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Trading lmao. i challenge you to toplane once as fighter vs fighter THEN you will learn the meaning of trading, csing. Everyone needs to position, even tanks. Let's just face it everything people bring up about the almighty adc class is "kiting" which atleast fighters do as well everything else that is "so hard" bout adcs has to be done by every other class in the game too.

KlydeFrog3 votes

lol what adcs are you talking about. the only one that your describing is mf ult thats it. please name another one. varus u need to build to nuke people, ashe q u need to build stacks and you dont exactly kill people quickly, vayne is single target, jhin is single target, cait is like ashe and sure i used to build her like mid varus because her q is actaully better then his q and eq killed pretty much any champ. sooo please tell me what adc your refering to besides mf?

HarrowR3 votes

Is this a troll post? Most adcs are easily one of the most mechanically challenging champs in the game,Vayne,Draven,Kalista,Lucian etc,not to mention most of adcs have no cc and low mobility so being a cm out of position can usually mean death,not to mention youre the highest value target so most of the time youre going have to deal with divers and assassins on your own,not just hope your supp saves you while you stand there soaking up the damage. You want to tell me tanks are hard? Point and click mages like annie and malzh are hard? Assassins like talon are hard? I dont even have to search to see,i know youre bronze or silver elo and prob never played an adc in your life,try it

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

most adcs have no cc and low mobility mentions vayne, kalista lucian XD

HarrowR1 votes

Do you even read? I've mentioned them as mechanically intensive,not immobile,and my statement still remains true,most of them are very immobile,Ashe,Jinx,Kog Maw,Jhin,Twitch,Sivir,Varus,Xayah etc. Yes some of them have an escape like Xayah but thats just on her ultimate thats on a 100+ second cd,so yeah,its easy to see how they can get killed easily without proper peel and support

DrillThoseTeeth1 votes

I agree that those ADCs are difficult, however the other ADCs give me a headache because of how easy that are. I am complaining from playing as and against ADCs. I find playing ADC too easy aside from champs like Draven and Vayne.

Beastrod3 votes

Most ADC mechanics are relatively easy (though I would say Most champion mechanics are easy). What makes ADC difficult to play is positioning. Literally, every enemy champ is looking to kill you FIRST. The enemy will save CC for the ADC just waiting for them to get to close. Every assassins will sit on the outskirts of the team Fight waiting for the ADC to stray just a tad to far from their tank/support who will CC the assassins. ADC is one of the most unforgiving class if you get caught by any of these, you don't have health, you don't have resistances, you don't have reliable CC if any at all. Enemy finds you out of position, you are dead.

Beastrod1 votes

If the OP thinks that ADC is such an easy/over powered class, I would recommend play it more often. Climb playing ADC since it is so easy and has so much damage.

RonTheDonFRESH3 votes

this dude probably went 0/4, build black cleaver first item then complains why he dies to the 5/0 enemy fed adc.

like bruh, build ninja tabi and chainmail gg u can 1v1 a 10/0 adc with the right champion.

DrillThoseTeeth1 votes

It's not that they are very hard to counter, it's that they have no rewarding abilities.

DrillThoseTeeth2 votes

90% of the people defending ADCs are actual ADC mains. Try this, play a different role for 20 games. You will notice that your own main, role, and playstyle is over powered. Of course, most people will not care because there are people who main fizz and veigar, but I cannot play over powered champions in ranked. Playing op champs makes me feel like a dickhead.

redniwediS1 votes

Back in the day ADCs were super easy, because the only thing you had to do was provide a constant source of physical damage for team fights and taking towers. You could still do super carry things, but it wasn't a requirement. As a top lane main I would pick Sivir and just hard push and follow my team's lead. I did the minimum requirement of the ADC's job and made myself super easy to carry.

Right now you have to do well as an ADC. You don't have to win lane, but you can't fall behind too far. You absolutely have to carry and get picks once you hit mid/late game, and as someone who is not experienced as an ADC it feels horrible. It might be the case that playing ADC has never been easier for an ADC main or for someone who plays it as a secondary role, but on a similar note it feels a lot harder to get into the role in the first place.

iLBGAMing1 votes

The only real skills that they require to have is good positioning and kiting well.

specter4241 votes

Yes. People that justify it saying you have to be careful so what, there should be drawbacks and of course if you are putting out mage damage every half a second with a right click you will be focused by assassins and everyone else.

GayFluffyUnicorn4 votes

No dude it's way harder to play squishy adc with RANGE and tons of self peel than a squishy melee. Look at top comment "try stutterstep with 2,0 attack speed" yeah i do this every game i play camille, jax. People simply overestimate adcs especially in their current state. Right now you need mechanics until two items after that it#s only positioning and rightclick everyone to death in three autos.

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

If they are so ez, why not play them a bit and climb out of literaly the lowest rank in the game? Love all these people thinking spamming skillshots is a difficult task, maybe that's why you are struggling in bronze 5?

DrillThoseTeeth1 votes

Well for one I do not enjoy the role. As I stated, I find ADC too easy to play compared to other roles. Also you checked my account, so you should know that I do not play much ranked. I do not care for ranked as I play the game for fun and it is more enjoyable than Dota and other MOBAs. If you think that ADCs alone will carry you to a high ranking, you are wrong. Especially in Bronze, where everyone builds full damage or some other stupid builds, such as movement speed, it is very hard to climb as a squishy champ. I believe it would be easier to play as tank to climb, however if the enemy team does not have 5 assassins, ADC would definitely be the way to climb.

M0rpius1 votes

You shouldnt worry about champs being too easy to play considering you are bronze 5, you probably dont even master the easiest champion at 60 % capacity.

AlienPrimate1 votes

I have massive difficulty playing ADC's so I chose not to even when I'm stuck in bottom lane. If it was so easy I wouldn't struggle doing it.

Dimbleroot1 votes

I use to main ADC and eventually got tired with the fact that my success was usually based on how well I farmed and how good my support was. It's frustrating. ADC's are useless once they get behind.

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