Nidalee.

skrithurz·11/22/2014, 4:28:28 AM·6 votes·1,216 views

Ok, so AP Nidalee is allowed to do insane damage from a distance, have extreme mobility, and sustain. Now Xerath and Ziggs have insane range/damage from a distance but why are they limited to little/no sustain and no mobility while Nidalee gets all three? Don't downvote because you disagree give a constructive argument and i'd appreciate it.

10 Comments

Diostukos11/22/2014, 4:51:41 AM4 votes

Well to deal this 'insane' damage, Nidalee has to hit you with her spear/trap, and then jump to you and Q. Xerath and Ziggs just spam aoe abilities from a distance.

Honestly I prefer laning against Nidalee instead off Ziggs or Xerath, at least with Nid post rework it feels like she has done damage because of my bad play (literally just stay behind minions during laning phase.)

FiendOfOne11/22/2014, 4:59:13 AM3 votes

Nidalee's primary poke damage comes from a long range slow moving skillshot. When she gets you low enough, she goes into kitty form and pounces for the execute. In human form, work on strafing/sidestepping and dodging skillshots (which, hilariously, will also work on Xerath and Ziggs).

The big difference, though, is that Ziggs does aoe damage with his long range (INSANELY long range) skillshot, so dodging it is a bit harder despite the travel speeds being comparable. Xerath is a bit telegraphed, but his stun is much faster and sets him up for a full combo. They also tend to both do better with mana sustain (as they are 'pure' mages instead of relying on melee for their big execute).

CrimsonRakan12/13/2014, 10:46:01 PM2 votes

Suck it up, dodge spears, don't feed the wild cats, And trash yi and fizz first

zeWolfy3/3/2015, 11:25:56 PM1 votes

I agree with what your saying

3tyson3/5/2015, 3:09:47 AM1 votes

zed can vanish from the batlefield with his shadow poke without anny kost from even longer distance than nidalee and melt down tanks where nidalee just has to bent over and hope she can charge them for it when a tank arives

what im trying to say is champions are different

Babs24244/15/2015, 9:34:17 PM1 votes

Its the fact that nid has every quality that makes a good champion and i hate her for it shes so strong and if she does get 1 kill u should just surrender because nid has so much utility and on top of that after the laning faze u just get fucked when she sieges with her 3.6 sec cd spears she has broken mobility witch makes her jungle clear super good and she has tons of Aoe and burst so good luck killing. Idk what riot can do to make her not broken maybe punish you if you miss a spear but people say "Just Doge them" yea i would rather spend my time playing the game than having to doge a spear ever 3 and a half seconds. Ill be honest i think nid is a good champ but shes broken right now she just has to much in her kit that makes her good, i dont see anyway riot can fix that they have already tried by lowering her health but that dosent matter much after early game a nid who keep up in farm can one shot anyone with a combo and its not fair. "people say just throw CC at her like a Lissandra and a Vi." So im going to have to get two champs to deal with one enemy champ and blow two ult on that champ. Sorry i went on a rant but everyime i see a nid they do tons of damage i saw a sup nid with sightstone and frostqueensclaim. one shot me as the carry mid that dosent seem right.

Thats Frosty4/15/2015, 9:53:36 PM1 votes

As someone whos mained Nid since season 2 I think you have a couple things wrong here

  1. AP nid used to 1 shot adcs (talking max range 1900dmg spears)
  2. Shes been nerfed to the point of being like a tier 2 mid laner at best because of simple counterplay (Her roams the only reason shes even that high)
  3. Xerath has limited mobility because he has 2 forms of cc and almost a bottomless mana pool

People like you are the reason nids in the spot shes at now, a high skill cap champion thats been nerf batted to the point of being almost impossible to lane with anymore. People keep complaining about getting hit by nid spears, the missle width got dropped from like 75 to I think 45 now because of it, morgs q is still 75 width and I dont hear you complaining about that.

I think you need to re evaluate what you consider to be "Insane Damage"

skrithurz4/15/2015, 11:50:29 PM1 votes

It's not that she's broken or straight OP. It's just that she's insanely unfun to play against.

Arisenrain3/4/2019, 11:59:46 PM1 votes

Well I have to say, she is a little bit OP :P And I love to play her. There are others too though (Ziggs, Xerath, Veigar, Zed, Garen, Vel'Koz, Teemo, etc..) Each for their own reasons. Here's a clip of me losing in ARAM and still doing a ton of damage with Pharaoh Nidalee:

https://youtu.be/3DpAP192uQE