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The support mid funnel to Jungle is symptom of poor game design for S10

Sett a trap·1/4/2020, 10:52:37 PM·10 votes·8,770 views

I haven't seen this on my silver/low gold account but I see it 1in3 games on my plat account (this account). The strategy follows

  1. Get a synergy mid (Lets use Ivern for example). Any synergy support will do.
  2. Get a synergy jungler (Rengar). Preferably a snowball JG.
  3. Roam around the map with Ivern and Rengar and take all the camps and rush 6, proceed to insane ganks. The mid support doesn't take the farm, they're simply there to accelerate the jungler. Invade/Steal enemy JG camps because you can and nothing can stop you two
  4. Ivern can bush for Rengar, Rengar leverages the massive lead or 6 spike and annihilates
  5. Repeat 3 and 4. Starve the enemy JG, spike your JG to 6, 11, 2nd item, 3rd, etc....snowball by farming

EDIT: as per the Kayle game linked, you can get your jg item by 6:49 time and you'll hit 6 about the same time or slightly faster than top lane.

How do you even counter play this? You can't. The strategy is done at the draft screen and because Jungle exp is "last hit", you can just perpetually leash your jungler. Say you're the victimized jungler. How do you even counter play this? Tell your mid to abandon lane and follow you? Go counter invade? You can't. Once this is "happening", there's little to stop it. Say you invade them? It's 2v1. The only way I see this stopping is if they fuck up their gank, but how are you going to fuck up a 3v1 gank and if rengar is 6? LOL? Your victimized jungler is slowly but surely starved.

here's a match where it happened (Rengar with Ivern): https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3254214279/203166158?tab=overview

This Kayle (with Lulu Mid support) one is worse. She had over 143 JG farm and over 100 Minion CS at 26 mins and was 16. When done right, this allows your jungler to exceed solo lane exp by far. How do you stop a level 16 kayle when your team avg is level 12-13? https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3251487880/203166158?tab=overview

KAYLE FINISHED HER JG ITEM AT 6:49, OUR JUNGLE FINISHED IT AT 14:59 LMAO. Their steam rolling morde finished Rylais at 9:50. There is simply no comparison or counter play to this.

These are all Plat4 Ranked solo queue games.

I'm quitting ranked until this is addressed. I suspect if this doesn't get nerfed or fixed by the time S10 rolls out, this will run rampant as meta for as long as it's allowed to run. Maybe this is what Riot wants but get ready to lose at the draft screen. You're going to lose games non interactively because the enemy jungler is being funneled so hard. Many, many streamers have show cased how broken this is too.

Wow riot, good job on these innovative jungle changes /s (P.S Wonder why the Ivern's smurfing in plat4 with a name like "JG IS RUINED"???? HMMM :THINKINGEMOJI: HMMMMM

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21 Comments

Karn Bishop1/5/2020, 12:21:16 AM5 votes

I watched the replay of the kayle game in its entirety and damn i gotta say the only thing you could even reasonably do is pick a god tier wave clearer and even that requires knowing what your opponents going to do.

For those curious lulu bought a support item with execute followed kayle around and helped her clear and be shielded from jungle camp damage for blue, frog, wolf then went mid and cleared the wave at tower before going to clean up rest of jungle, this continues in various patterns allowing kayle to be level 6 at the same time top lane is while the enemy jungler is still level 4, this in turn lets them control and take every dragon, and rift herald.

edit: if you want to watch the game yourself google op's name on say na.op. expand his game list until you run into the game he plays janna with a score of 1//6/13 that has a kayle and lulu on enemy team then enter the kayle jungles name into your client and download the match as he hasn't played in a few days its still available to watch.

chipndip11/5/2020, 2:39:41 AM3 votes

Idk why funneling keeps creeping back up. They fix it and it comes back.

in a hood near u1/5/2020, 4:59:13 PM2 votes

I think you ran into boosters. Taking a quick look at probuilds.net tells me pros aren't doing this. Since its been known as a boosting strategy and pros aren't doing it, I think it's more likely that you ran into boosters than it's that this is the new meta.

And uh turns out those two you ran into do this often to various degrees of success. If it was actually op as you claim, I'd expect to see them doing way better in their games.

So they're neither boosters nor is the strategy op.

Saevum1/5/2020, 6:41:05 PM2 votes

So the lulu was just shielding, speed boosting, and enemy cursing? sounds fun. Maybe Ori mid support might also work.

XJ999999999999991/5/2020, 7:06:18 PM2 votes

plat-diamond 5 is where these strats are common. pretty sure its a boosting strat. where the player being boosted is the mid whos told to do nothing but support and the jungler goes and eats the gold.

in a hood near u1/5/2020, 10:58:49 PM1 votes

OP you are deceitful. One in three of your games are not examples of funneling, this took me 30 seconds of looking at your op.gg to see.

The Ivern in your first game looks like a smurf. Level 34 and 19/10 in ranked, new players don't funnel and go 19/10. You even admitted he's a smurf, and still thought you had enough evidence to make these claims?

That second game you've linked also has an 11/2 Jinx, and those people doing the funneling aren't getting extraordinary results.

Hope u quit boards along with ranked man.

Linna Excel1/5/2020, 4:22:13 AM1 votes

I think funneling is used to boost accounts, at least it was in the past.

Cloud2731/5/2020, 6:36:28 AM1 votes

Maybe I just don't understand, but how are you supposed to get mid farm if you're rushing around the map?

Ms Cougar1/5/2020, 12:47:53 PM1 votes

Effectively the jungler now has (or occasionally is) a support. This is inevitable with the power of hypercarries, the insane amount of snowballing in the game, and the lack of any means to come back from behind in the jungle.

It's just Yi + Taric all over again, but now it's stronger than before. I personally expect it will become the new meta, and become its own counter. Yi/Taric vs Kayle/Kindred, etc.

Death by Glamour1/5/2020, 1:29:44 PM1 votes

Support mid funnel has been a thing since season 8, started with kayle yi and lulu twitch.