A list of characters with Broken kits and why their kits are broken.

macromite··13 votes·1,444 views

Azir Kalista Jayce LeeSin Too much of a generalist in the role, when they are passable they end up suffocating the pick process by being too reliable a pick at all levels of play.

Kindred Putting something in a role that is contrary to what the class wants to succeed at will cause the class to either fail horribly or be absurd.

Galio Urgot Tank stats eat a lot of budget, and trying to balance that with damage on a class that is meant to use range as safety as well causes issues.

Vladimir Swain Aatrox Mordekaiser Illaoi There aren't a lot of good ways to deal with champions that are fairly tanky with incredible sustain, so these champions have all been absolutely destroyed because of it.

Vayne Yasuo Without having fair resource usage, champions with particularly good abilities can become absurd very quickly when either the meta favors them or they can abuse an item.

Evelynn Stealth like eve's is still a problem, and it will likely always be a problem.

Riot views all of these problems with a different lense however, clearly. they tend towards trying to buff and nerf generalists, let champs like vayne and yasuo get out of hand before trying to change things, and will likely continue to make things like kalista. And they will also probably make urgot, galio, and eve rot for the rest of the games existence, not being able to change them without radically changing them, and not being able to balance them in the fluid game league is. And sustainers will probably be bad for a long time to come, rito needs to fix the stat stick/niche item divide before these guys can be made fair.

34 Comments

Meep Man9 votes

I don't think Illaoi is poorly designed or broken

macromite2 votes

she has a lot of healing, which is why she got touched badly. ult and then don't die, but she is pretty soft in there.

Big Lincoln8 votes

Swain, Vlad and Illaoi aren't problematic at all

Shuten Ðoji1 votes

they are when they're actually strong/relevant lol. there's a reason why they've been nerfed so much.

Big Lincoln2 votes

because they all go top where TP is king and nobody wants to take ignite for early shutdowns

if TP wasn't broken then it'd be a lot easier to deal with them

also vlad is vulnerable to all-in champions, swain loses to burst/poke and Illaoi sucks vs anyone who can dodge her Qs reliably

macromite2 votes

illaoi is iffy, but swain and vlad are both not allowed to be good, so they get to be on the list.

Over Innsmouth2 votes

sigh

It's not like Vlad recently got a rework that promoted interactivity and huge tells for the enemy, and was then subsequently gutted because a handful of Koreans in an incredibly high level environment with high level communication can perform well with him - not because his soloqueue stats were out of line.

macromite1 votes

being out of line and not being allowed to succeed are different things.

Note that as soon as anyone in any respect could succeed with vlad reliably he was hit. his kit is not allowed to be good, and not just any part either, the part of his kit that says he is vladimir is the part that makes him not allowed to be good.

Sahn Uzal5 votes

Not even because of Personal bias, you should add Riven to the Vayne and Yasuo list

lGIaurunGl1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jouqcGcp,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-12-14T19:09:32.730+0000)

Not even because of Personal bias, you should add Riven to the Vayne and Yasuo list

Unlike vayne and yasuo, riven actually has a high learning curve

Very Hard Engage2 votes

galio isn't busted (his W is broken OP yes yes i will admit this) the kit functions, its just not in a traditional playstyle. ((where galios goal is to find moments of opportunity and trade in that window, then follow up later to finish the job))

where his other intent is to just flash R and win a team fight around an objective.

macromite1 votes

yet he needs a rework and his kit was deemed not healthy enough to buff even though he is considered weak by most of the community.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

most of the community doesn't play him, you cant take their advice on a champ they neither encounter or play. and when they do on the off chance see a galio, its trolling and doing poorly with a non functioning build.

he does not need a rework.

<----- galio main

macromite1 votes

I know a galio main, and have personally consulted him about the state at which galio is, and I know for sure that he is a champion with a broken kit like the others after that.

It just has to do with the power distribution and the gold distribution, and the role he is playable in. he has problems that are inherent to kit that are unsolvable without creating further and worse issues.

Just think for a second. why does no one play him if he is good?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

because hes a melee last hitter and people dont understand how to win a trade with him, they always find themselves on the losing end regardless of what they do, when it is entirely plausible to do.

in addition people struggle to catch people with flash R, he just plays vastly different than a standard laner.

the biggest gripe people have against galio are his long cast times/animations which lock him into place, its dated, and nothing at all like instant waifu zed.

except all of those things still dont break him because of his strength from W and R. just flash R will win any team fight and thats so underestimated.

Titanium702 votes

Swain I wish they just had left him alone... I knew the update would either fail or be broken... He's was perfectly fine before... huge strenght in duels, a master of midgame, payed with low range, crapy lane management and riddiculous Manacosts.

The 'update' just deleted all of his weakneses at once, OFC they had to kill his strenght as well...

Arakadia1 votes

Preach!

Troll for Trump2 votes

Add "overloaded"

Ekko Yasuo Riven LeeSin and many more bring so much into their kit, it doesn't matter how good you are; those champs will always be better. Diamond 5 Darius vs Diamond 5 yas. You'd expect the lane bully to beat the weak earlygame Yasuo, but no. Because of the overloaded nature of Yas's kit, he abuses everything that would be a "skillcheck" to regular people(Darius Q delay) and just presses E once to dodge it.

Dodging skillshots, staying out of AA range, and what not are blocked by his W and passive. Managing resources is removed... because he's manaless.

If you're investing 1000 hours into a champ, and invest it into yasuo, as opposed to darius, it doesn't matter what happens,Yasuo will just be "Better"

xBushx1 votes

Maokai Twisted Advance is THE MOST BROKEN skill in the game....also now that CotC exists, it is even more oppressive.

Fuh Queue1 votes

Isn't that just a gap closing snare? Sorry I don't play any Maokai or see him played at all in games I'm in.

DoomRPG1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fuh Queue,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jouqcGcp,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-12-14T19:26:51.260+0000)

Isn't that just a gap closing snare? Sorry I don't play any Maokai or see him played at all in games I'm in.

It also renders Maokai untargatable I think hes the only tank that can pull a fizz basically, this may not seem like much because hes a tank, but for a tank with both high damage and natural sustain, the ability to just nullify an opponets ability makes Maokai one of the best tanks at nearly any time

xBushx1 votes

ALSO, it follows dashes and flashes.

So it's broken. I have always said. "Break ANY champ by putting Twisted Advance on them"

Enlegacy1 votes

Just saying Galio is up for a VGU after Warwick to fix his problems, which involve the whole mr=ap thing, since that makes his kit way too niche.

Also Evelynn and Urgot are also up for VGUs in 2017 at some point.

Head Connoisseur1 votes

Bruh...Galio is getting a full rework directly after warwick.........but yea, he'll "rot for the rest of the games existence"......

macromite1 votes

vlad and swain got reworked, look at where they are.

Janna mìd1 votes

{quoted}

Bruh...Galio is getting a full rework directly after warwick.........but yea, he'll "rot for the rest of the games existence"......

And they will also probably make urgot, galio, and eve rot for the rest of the games existence, not being able to change them without radically changing them

not being able to change them without radically changing them

ya should try to focus more on what you read :P

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

this shit again?

Kharn Skyshatter1 votes

Pretty sure Azir's kit had these things removed:

Q weaker slow W no longer can be used to nuke towers, just recently given a late game buff to make up for the previous damage nerf, lost CDR->AS and replaced with just an Attack Speed increase E no longer knocks up/back R spawns closer to Azir, weaker knockback, no longer traps people when used near walls, still buggy

If you want a generalist pick Orianna is up there, but missing from your list while having more damage than Azir has and utility to boot.

Calabok1 votes

that is a crappy list but Yasuo should be at the top for nerfs

macromite1 votes

nerfs won't fix anything here.

You can't nerf broken away.

Orangesilk1 votes

You know, the problem with Swain, Vlad and Aatrox is that there's not much you can do to counter their healing (aside from grievous wounds, ofc) because their damage is very reliable and largely point-and-click.

Illaoi and Morde however are extremely kiteable, and additionally if you dodge Illaois attacks she has 0 sustain, those two are not problematic, seeing how their counterplay is literally item 1001

DunkinNoobs1 votes

In what way are Kalista and Jayce generalists? They're very specific: Kalista is all about kiting you to hell and back and then executing you while Jayce is all about poking you down and then immediately all inning and bursting you.

macromite1 votes

kalista is kiting. which is good in all three types of teamcomp. really really good. makes her hard to pick, great for teamfights, and pretty good at siege. when she works she is pretty much always played because she is a general pick, she works with every comp.

jayce is similar, of course a bit different, but similar. he is epecially good with siege, but with a teamwide buff he can work with teamfight, and his pick is also pretty good do to his all in potential. he can also fit every comp pretty well.

Characters should tend to be more specialized than that. especially characters that are supposed to be specialists.

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