she's got everything that a shaco player dream of, and you build her exactly like shaco http://i.imgur.com/3yahy6W.png
I'm not high ranking or anything but pink wards shut her down or counter jg with lee sin is the same problem that shaco have, yet he is more than viable compare to the rarely picked eve who I find is far more versatile and fun.
DoraTheBrown5 votesShaco dmg more quickly
ABlueQuaker3 votesShaco is better. Where's Eve's Guaranteed Crit and on-click stealth?
Stars Shaper2 votesIt seems legit considering the scalings.
You should go AP only if you are going for the tanky build.
But Shaco doesn't want to give up his traps I guess xD
Ark Angel HFB2 votesAs a Shaco main who used to play a ton of eve... sorry to say but you are wrong here.
You are not wrong in that eve is good as ad...
You are just wrong in that she does what shaco does better.
Eve doesn't 100 - 0 carries late game out of no where...
Eve can't hop walls to steal buffs...
Eve can't take a combat summoner on top of smite to be able to fight better.
Eve can't reach out and secure kills on low hp champs with a shiv toss, before kiting back to repeat.
Eve can't give you better map control and vision with boxes.
and lastly, Eve is much easier to catch than Shaco... so her split pushing suffers from that.
Look I like Eve... I think she does a lot right, and I'm glad you are having fun with her, but there are simply some things Shaco does that eve can't hold a candle too.
IAMXINGTian1 votesshaco main here too, I got eve in aram randomly and thought that her E should work perfectly with AD build so I tried it and it worked
what I like about Eve Vs. Shaco -Eve can offer a lot more in team fights .ult gives her around 600-900 hp shield instantly while slowing everyone that's caught in it .Her W removes all slow debuff such as lee sin w or thresh ult that a shaco will constantly have trouble with .Her W resets after kill or assist, which is practically double q if you weren't slowed again after using w, or you can flash then w for a even cleaner escape. .Her E gives so much burst attack speed really outshine shaco's passive + Q bonus crit damage, with my build I should have 55% crit chance with just infinity edge and phantom dancer and attack speed she gain from E would be more than enough to 1 shot an adc or apc, (don't forget E actually scales with ad too and it does a lot of damage) -Eve can chase down an enemy a lot easier because her W passive (gives bonus speed from q), as a shaco I often have problem with chasing a low hp enemy that flashed away with barely more than my shiv damage, it's not a problem for eve as she can either activate w to catch up the distance easily or just abuse q's ridiculous range.
----------but yeah I may have over exaggerated her since i've only played 2 games so far.-------------
"Eve can't hop walls to steal buffs..." she has permanent stealth, just walk the right direction and you wont get detected, smite the buff then use your inbuilt poacher to run away
"Eve can't give you better map control and vision with boxes." shaco boxes were nerfed hard, it only last 1 min now, and I have far worse win rate in s5 than s4 with him tbh
"and lastly, Eve is much easier to catch than Shaco... so her split pushing suffers from that." this is not true, while shaco can easily juke noobs, I've played against tons of people that kept a pink or oracle when they come gank me, this isn't the case with eve because she has a 300 hp shield which makes her "tankier" and her escape isn't buffled by pink wards/oracle.
Ark Angel HFB1 votesI'm not seeing any ranked eve games from you, and no offense, no really this comes off as a dick thing to say but I mean it in the nicest way possible...
The skill lvl in Diamond 4 is a LOT different than in Gold 5. I'm very used to pink wards and how to deal with them.
I'm not saying that eve is bad... I'm just saying that I think she does different things than Shaco... and the concept "Eve is the better Shaco" is a flawed one.
Eve really can not pop from nowhere to instantly remove a carry. She fights people a lot how many strong top laners do... with an onslaught of power but there is time to react to it.
Shaco comes out of stealth, often over a wall, and remove 80% of your carries hp instantly... then ignites and throws a shiv for the other 20%... not to mention his splash damage from Static Shiv and hydra is compatible to eve's ult when he is on a few softer targets.
I'll sit down and give eve some play time to test things out... but from what I've seen and played against... the comparison is a poor one.
IAMXINGTian1 votesI understand and take no offense
I will play more before saying stuff like that again lol
Ark Angel HFB1 votesall good, and don't let my negativity dampen your drive to theory craft and test stuff.
Trying new things is a huge part of what makes this game fun.
Want a fun cho build?
Adrian Umbra1 votesExactly, they're different champions. Shaco's got much stronger burst, which Eve's sustained damage is higher. It's how it's always been between them. Also, I'm not sure if you know what 1-shot means, as AS doesn't at all help you 1-shot people. It helps you make them disappear more quickly, but it doesn't help you 1-shot.
Q's range is NOT ridiculous either and you're kidding yourself if you think it is. 500 range is shorter than almost every ranged champ's auto attack range. Her W is also a pretty mediocre speed boost as these things go, providing a MASSIVE 30% boost for 3 seconds. The slow wipe is wonderful, especially with Chilling Smite being popular, but it's also not incredibly useful for catching up with higher mobility targets like Ezrael, Graves, Zed, or Ahri, who can simply hop over a wall and have done with you or escaping from harder CC champs such as Maokai, J4, or Vi. The CD is also pretty high unless you get a reset, sitting at 15 seconds, higher than Shaco's in every situation where they have equal builds.
Adrian Umbra1 votesI'm glad you're enjoying Evelynn, but as a longtime Eve player and jungler I had some questions on your build choices out of curiosity and some comments to make overall.
First: Why IE? Hydra I can understand due to Eve's sustain issues, but I'm confused as to why you would build a heavy damage, glass cannon item on a character who gets very little in the way of crit enhancement or steroids outside of AS. I'd personally rather build a Sheen into Triforce or a Cutlass into BotRK on her than IE
Second: Warrior enchantment? It's a really excellent item modification that lends a lot of power to junglers, so I'm confused as to why you didn't get it. I can get a little bit of the "swapping jungle item" thing, but beyond that I'm confused.
Third: What's the Zeal for? PD? Triforce? SS?
Last: I'm glad you're enjoying Eve and encourage you to keep playing her, especially if you've found a build that works for you. However, I'd also caution you that the glitter is going to fade after some more games. I'm telling you right now, you're going to have games where you wish you had picked Shaco. You're going to have games where your glass cannon bulid just isn't going to work. As long as that doesn't discourage you, have at it, and enjoy her as much as you can.
IAMXINGTian1 votesIE because I was planning to go crit build, with IE and PD it's 55% crit chance which is decent damage, I usually rush a tiamat for clearing speed then get a zeal because it's cheap and give extra crit for the IE I'm about to build, if you play adc often you would know IE by itself never does any damage unless you get lucky, which doesn't happen often and isn't reliable, with a zeal crit proc tons more even if it doesn't look like it numerically. I don't rush hydra because smiting red gives you a lot of hp now sustain isn't a big problem early, I finish hydra after IE usually.
I agree, I should've probably played more to make statements like that, it was just really exciting and I wanted to share since I'm one of those people who've tried eve before but ended up in disappointment because she does no damage with any builds you see on moba
Adrian Umbra1 votesAs someone who's been playing a good bit of ADC, IE is a rather significant power spike by itself (that's why it tends to be rushed) especially in addition to the Zeal that is almost always bought right afterwards. One in every five hits being a crit isn't bad, especially as an ADC who's likely able to plink away at a range. The reason it's usually built quickly on Shaco is the guaranteed critical strike he gets out of his Q, which then gets amped by the IE for massive burst and hopefully an easy kill.
I'm also still wondering why you didn't go for Sheen (QQQQQQ procs it pretty easily) and why the lack of enchantment. Those are still significant questions for me and they weren't answered at all.
And like I said, I'm glad you're enjoying Eve. Also, Mobafire makes me sad. I stopped trusting them YEARS ago. There IS a good reason why most people build bruiser on Evelynn and I'm suspecting you'll find it out soon enough, especially if you go up against a comp with heavy CC or AoE damage. But for now, have fun with your build, rip as many people apart as you can.
MrSlowDie1 votesI am not a shaco main, but... how the hell ad eve is a better shaco when the only similarity between them is they can stealth
