A lot point and click CC was removed. How about Malzahar and Lissandra ult ?

xMotus·Jul 11, 2018·1 votes·1,849 views

I think Riot did the right thing by removing a lot of point and click CC in the past, but why have neither Malzahars nor Lissandras ult been changed ? It just feels really bad playing against either of the two because if you don't have a qss you have absolutely no counterplay against it and can only hope your team saves your ass. Additionally you cant make good use of qss on a lot of champs so that also feels pretty bad too. And lastly i think its pretty stupid that the only thing that makes these champs viable is their ult and the rest is completely interchangeable. But hey maybe i'm wrong because i'm a low elo bonobo and the comments can tell me exactly why I have no idea what i am talking about.

13 Comments

RevokeJul 12, 20184 votes

That's fine with me. Just gut ADC and assassin mobility while we're at it so they can't pop in 100-0 then pop out without risk. I'm saying this as someone who enjoys assassins.

Frosted TipsJul 11, 20182 votes

Point click ults are ok if you are going to complain about anything it should be Rammus taunt or Fiddlesticks fear long lasting point click hard cc as a basic ability. And you could even add Nasus ~~stun~~ slow.

xMotusJul 11, 20181 votes

but what does it being an ult or a normal ability change ? it's still an anti fun mechanic that just feels really bad to play against ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ModWulf HelhammerJul 11, 20187 votes

Ults have much longer cooldowns and are intended to have a much higher level of power over basic abilities

Frosted TipsJul 11, 20182 votes

Let me add to this so building qss for an ult makes sense semi similar cooldowns while you can use a basic ability like 10 times or so to 1 qss use.

NevurwinJul 11, 20182 votes

Have you ever brought summoner 1 into a Lissandra match up? It severely impacts her engagement windows. Especially if you incorporate a item 3102 into your build. She doesn't have high burst damage, you take away her ultimate with equipping these tools and shes not going to waste her time using it on you.

Liss is one of my favorites champs, but shes in a really pathetic state right now. Shes good at holding an assassin still and thats about it, cause she doesn't have the damage output to 1v1 them.

Lord MalpercioJul 12, 20182 votes

Lulu

how can you guys forget the longest lasting and single most powerful point and click CC in the game

and in the lane that it's most relevant in too...

Beacon AcademyJul 12, 20182 votes

If all point and click abilities are removed, I want every mobility move removed as well.

Because having all your skillshots dodged doesn't feel good.

Y'know what? Now skill shots are op. Now we may as well remove them

Oh and ranged aa is unfair... Lets make everyone fucking melee and without abilities while we're at it.

Ranged > Target > Mobility > Ranged triangle exists for a reason.

And î oopJul 14, 20182 votes

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If all point and click abilities are removed, I want every mobility move removed as well.

Because having all your skillshots dodged doesn't feel good.

Y'know what? Now skill shots are op. Now we may as well remove them

Oh and ranged aa is unfair... Lets make everyone fucking melee and without abilities while we're at it.

Ranged > Target > Mobility > Ranged triangle exists for a reason.

agreed, Idk why people compare about point click stuns when you have champs like garen that are supposed to be tanks but go 4 damage items, have immense movement speed and DAMAGE while also being unkillable oh and not to mention WARMOG PASSIVE

The thigh guyJul 12, 20182 votes

Found the assassin main

YoufusJul 12, 20181 votes

I liked the point n click cc/abilites, so many skill shots now with 10 or less sec cool downs

Frozen DivaJul 12, 20181 votes

Removing their point and click ults would allow to give them a lot more power elsewhere because you actually have to land a skillshot. Both of them desperately need that power. So definitely yes.

And î oopJul 14, 20181 votes

yes lets remove point click from lissandra so its even HARDER to make her viable