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Buying A Bot To Level-Up Your Account Actually Works! (How Bots Are Ruining ARAM and AI games)

Mystery Mr Yi··70 votes·13,677 views

I noticed that bot accounts were common in Co-op vs Ai games, but I just finished a game where** all 4 other members on my team were bot accounts**, so I decided to make this post. As of right now, all the accounts are still active and have not been banned.

What the bot does: It makes the champion run down mid and autoattack anything along the way. Eventually the champ runs into the tower and dies. This bot makes the champion move in several different directions along the way, and sometimes makes them stop completely for a few seconds, probably to make it look more human. They even made this bot buy items. They tend to disconnect and reconnect at certain times.

The 4 bot accounts that were on my team: << Edit: DELETED because naming and shaming is against Board Rules, even if the accounts aren't human >>

You can check on op.gg to see that they have been doing this for OVER ONE WEEK. They win some games because the human players on the team carry them.

All 4 performed the actions I described above, one after the other. They even took turns running into the tower. Notice how their names are just random letters. They all reconnected and disconnected one after the other.

I got leavebuster for leaving a game where I was the ONLY human player. Feelsbadman.

Clean up your act, Riot.

138 Comments

PaladinNO45 votes

<< Edit: DELETED because naming and shaming is against Board Rules, even if the accounts aren't human >>

This is the part that angers me the most. When they aren't even human, how can they have human rights? Warning about bots - with names - should be considered a community service.

Fondling Gems25 votes

Comes down to a couple things:

  1. Sometimes people think other players are bots when they are actually just REALLY bad, not saying this is the case, but it sometimes is and so blanket rulings work better so that we (Wardens and Arbiters) don't have to go and confirm whether and account was botting or not every time a name is mentioned (And we don't really have the ability to check that in the first place.)

Overall it would make it too dependent on our rulings of the situation when we don't have the tools necessary to make those rulings.

  1. Those accounts are sold to actual players. Now I will not make a comment regarding my/riot's opinion of those who buy accounts from botters, but at that point they are actually human players and as such they should be given their rights, regardless of any repercussions they might receive from supporting/buying from botters.

  2. We can't just follow some of the rules. To punish them by our rules means that they have to fall under all our rules. Basically you can't punish someone for breaking a rule without also giving them the rights that those same rules give. That is just how laws and rules work.

PaladinNO1 votes

Objectively speaking, I can agree that this has merit. Subjectively speaking on the other hand...I'm sorry, but I don't want to give botters that much courtesy. They made their choice.

Fondling Gems3 votes

Honestly I am very much anti anything bot related. Heck just seeing people using the autopathing function in games puts me on edge (Amusing as I study and focus on AI)

Ultimately though the effort required just to give players the ability to name bot accounts isn't worth it by any stretch, especially when naming bot accounts on the boards really doesn't do much. Sure a Rioter in charge of that may wander through and take note of it but just dropping a report or support ticket will get it to them faster and with much more guarantee.

It is just a big case of letting people do it on the boards puts huge strain on the whole boards system/rules when the boards isn't even the correct place to complain about specific accounts, though it is perfectly find to discuss the topic here.

PaladinNO2 votes

Naming the bots here may very well not do much on its own (which, frankly, should swing both ways, and no action taken against that), but moreover, none got any real proof that any action is taken against the bots when using ingame reports either.

Even before the time taken to grind to level 30 was decreased, we saw multiple level 30 bots. That means they have been around for weeks already, grinding XP 24/7, ruining the games for so many, and all that is being said officially is "they're being banned in waves".

I mean, really? If the officials got a problem with bots being strangled up in public, they can damn well do better against the people behind them.

Fondling Gems1 votes

The thing is that the people who have to patrol the boards (Aka Community Volunteers like the Wardens and Arbiters) are not the same people who deal with bots. Heck we aren't even remotely in the same field. However if we started allowing naming and shaming of bots I do not exaggerate when I say that Wardens would have to spend hours a day confirming whether or not a post is naming and shaming a bot or a person, and we as Wardens don't have any real way to confirm that in the first place.

We do not have most of the tools required to really look at what a player has been doing in game because that is well outside our jurisdiction. We have a couple tools to deal with people on the boards but we are not set up to deal with bots.

For reference the Wardens are heavily self structured, we interact with our boss Keyru and that is about it as far as Rioters are concerned. I mean there are 1-2 others who hang around on our discord and we sometimes play games with in our free time but it isn't like we are talking to the heads of Riot or anything.

So the thing is that as Wardens, the guys who have to police this stuff but are not in a position to act on it or even handle it reasonably, the guys who are not allowed to make changes to the Terms of Service and have to follow them to the letter when enforcing them, no we can't let people post the names of bot accounts.

It is kinda like going up to your garbage man to complain about the garbage pickup schedule. He can't really do jack all about it so he will brush you off regardless of what you are trying to say because you should be saying that in a letter to the people in charge, through the system they created to deal with people's questions and opinions.

Ultimately letting people name and shame bots on the boards would cause a huge workload strain on a group of people who have absolutely nothing more to do with dealing with bots than you guys who are posting. I am not saying an extra hour of work, I am talking about up to 4+ hours of work a day just to decide whether or not we need to censor a post, because the moment we allow something like that you know the boards will get flooded in posts naming bot accounts.

In return the posts serve exactly the same purpose as before, except people get even more worked up and cause cause fights that would lead to more work as more report flood in to us and then we have to lockdown a bunch of the posts anyways because their comment section got out of hand.

Considering (I can't speak for other Warden groups but Roaming Wardens at least) we often run into big backlogs as is the only reasonable way for us, who have nothing to do with banning/dealing with bots/bot accounts, to deal with such a situation is to just not let it happen because the benefits are all but nonexistent (A few people get a mistaken belief that they are being more helpful) while the cons include hours of increased workload on unrelated community volunteers, slower response times to actual issues on the boards, more shut down posts due to riled up comment sections, and a bunch of vengeful Wardens who were worked to death rising from the grave to release GD onto the general boards(Oh wait we are already doing that) delete the boards.

Yes, I hate bots as much as the next guy, possibly more because I actually work in AI and seeing it used for such a purpose really grinds my gears but in the larger picture it would be utter hell to actually enforce an exception like that with no real benefit.

PaladinNO1 votes

The thing is that the people who have to patrol the boards (Aka Community Volunteers like the Wardens and Arbiters) are not the same people who deal with bots. Heck we aren't even remotely in the same field.

Before we proceed (frankly, I'm surprised we've kept at it for this long), I just want to state that I do not hold my opinions or statements regarding any perceived lack of measures against bots, against you personally, nor any of the other moderators.

With that said, honestly, it feels like you're trying to deflect the real issue here, which are measures in place against botting.

Now, I don't know what you know about the measures taken (and if you know anything, I know you cannot say anything specific - due to "company policy"), but you say you work in AI (personally, a highly interesting subject), so what would be your personal opinion on measures taken against botting, and what exactly can be done against them as a long-term solution?

What would you do against them?

To try to finish this particular discussion off, regarding the case of naming and shaming against bots on the Boards, would you think it overly idealistic of me to think that the Board members themselves would make it clear to those in error regarding who would be called out as a bot and who is a real human, trying to get better at the game?

I'd like to think we are that smart and mature, to actually be able to spot a bot.

Personally, I use a mental 3-step method to make up my mind:

  1. Communication (or lack thereof).
  2. Movements (I've been here long enough to know how a bot moves and acts).
  3. Consistency (does it do the same all the time - i.e. walk up to the tower and die - or does change over time).
Fondling Gems2 votes

From a perfectly personal standpoint I feel like bots need to be acted upon more strictly. One of the issues is though that it isn't terribly hard to get a bot to act enough like a new player that having an automatic system in place risks hitting new players.

Most bots aren't that in depth, but that is because Riot seems to tend to go on botting waves, specifically trying to hunt down the actual companies and completely remove them from the face of the earth in one big sweep. If you remember a while back they managed to take down the largest botting service at the time and wiped out far more bots than they would have if they tackled them on an individual basis IMO.

Not having anything to do with Riot's end of that though I can't really say (and even if I did know I couldn't say) exactly how they are dealing with it.

From a programming standpoint though I know it can be pretty easy to identify how an automated program is detecting the differences between your bot and actual players. From there it tends to be pretty easy to adapt the rest of your bots and suddenly all you have done is weed out a couple and cause the rest to be even harder to spot.

So short end solutions are actually quite easy, as you mentioned though it is the long term solution that really matters.

One option would be upping the security to enter the game, but ultimately that only kills off small time botters and makes the actual companies just hire a couple workers to manually register accounts.

Their was the idea of having accounts be hooked to phone numbers but I agree with Riot's stance that it would not make up for the issues it causes to new players.


Ultimately there is no real long term solution as eventually bots will be good enough to pass off as actual players, although at that point there is no longer an issue until they get better than actual players.

So realistically I think focusing on the companies and causing enough pain to them to discourage other botter companies from even focusing on league is the most efficient strategy, even if it does look like nothing is happening for long periods of time.

Of course as someone who works on games I have a lot of sympathy with the "grand scheme of things" view. As a player it is still painful, but that doesn't mean that throwing a ban at even bot that appears is actually more efficient, especially since botting services are often also tied in with boosting services so they can both be wiped out at once.


Now as for the boards and naming and shaming bots:

Frankly I think 99% of the people who use the boards would be responsible with it. The remaining 1% is a margin we can deal with. The issue is how many people wouldn't know about the rule in the first place?

While I can't say exactly how many report relating to name and shame we get a day I can definitely say that it is quite a number. A good chunk of those people simply don't know about the Name and Shaming rule in the first place.

Maybe a monthish ago new rules were added to player recruitment and pinned at the top of the page saying exactly how often people can bump/repost. Player recruitment has only just started to take a drop in reposts/bumps, and that is due to way more policing on that board than any other board the roaming wardens cover.

So while I think 99% of player would be responsible about it, a good 25% wouldn't know about the rule in the first place and would either:

A) Report it (Now we actually have to go and check on it)

B) Mess with the comment section (usually when someone posts an incorrect correction someone else responds and gets so many upvotes it stunts the rest of the post and dominates the discussion which is something we want to avoid.)

C) They would see other people posting names and no one blinking an eye so they would think naming and shaming actual players is Ok, causing another rise in reports, and meaning that as Wardens we do suddenly need to go through and check most posts. This is only complicated because most people don't provide much evidence, and since most bots are pre lv 30 there is no ranked match history to check so as Wardens we have no way to tell for sure and hit a rough spot when it comes to deciding what to do with posts like that.

The biggest thing is that we might be willing to do all that if it actually contributed anything. However it doesn't. Knowing the names of some accounts you will probably never meet doesn't add to the discussion, it doesn't help Riot identify them, it does nothing good at best and causes a hate fest in the comment section at worst. Listing the names of 3 bot accounts doesn't raise any more awareness than just saying "3 different bot accounts".

Sorry about how long winded this got, to put it simply we see every report that people post on the boards. There are usually 2 Roaming Wardens online at a time at best, only 4 of us in total. We have to go through every single report on the half dozen boards we monitor, read through the post/comment, often read through the main post if it is a comment, then either dismiss it if it is wrong, delete the comment, lock the thread, or in severe cases summon up our dark overlords to rain wrath and punishment upon those who crossed the line and decided to keep going.

If you have ever had a post removed for whatever reason, even as simple as being in the wrong section, you will notice that you got a short paragraph in response. If it was relatively recently you might notice it is a bit longer and contains links to the proper board, terms of service, universal rule, and a copy of your post depending on the situation.

So any time we delete/lock a post/comment we have to explain why and give all the necessary links. We have to copy the person's post and drop it in on deletes too, fixing any of those stupid ' to ' errors, and then go back to look at our beautiful queue.

So if it is an incorrect report it takes all of 30 seconds to deal with. However sometimes we can spend upwards of 10-15 minutes on a single report. Now tack on the time of actually checking whether or not a player is a bot. Then sometimes we aren't sure so we ask some other Wardens for advice and time gets added on. Finally half an hour after starting on this theoretical report we decide the guy needs "wrath and punishment from our dark overlords" and have to yell at them until they wake up and Rito Plz uses smite.

######We don't get paid....

PaladinNO1 votes

That's...a lot more text than I expected! :O

If I were to guess, I'd say you felt you had to do it, else run the risk of just getting more questions, on every single detail if the post just contained a simplified answer. And I know that feeling; The feeling of needing to just cover everything, so to avoid confusion. And this can add a lot of text.

But it was an interesting read, both from a personal and a technical standpoint.

I suspect this is getting a bit more into "I cannot discuss that"-territory, and while I can respect the "no naming"-policy for bots after such a response (I'd lie if I said the objective part of me didn't already know the work it would require to manually check the naming and desired reporting of suspected bots), I'd like to know one thing:

When reporting a suspected bot/hacker/"suspected use of illegal 3rd party programs", exactly what happens? How is such a report processed, step-by-step? If I may argue why I'd like to know those details, it's because I don't have faith in the report system.

I can report a bot, a flamer, anyone (with a valid reason, obviously), but I have not once yet seen the "a player you reported has been punished" (or equivalent) message pop up even one after the new client hit live.

And even those wishing cancer, death to your families etc., almost all of them are still playing (and trust me, I got quite the list of screenshots).

So, again, how does the reporting system work behind the scenes (a confirmation of a manual review + an initial automated check is pretty much what I'm looking for here), and also, is the punishment pop-up still present in the new client?

Fondling Gems2 votes

Well what happens is: *Shrug*

I really don't know, in game I am just an average League player with a higher than normal play rate with Rioters cause Keyru and the rest of the wardens play together sometimes.

I have already been dipping my toe over the edge with how much I have been saying about the current abilities of Wardens so I can't really say a whole lot about how things work without stepping further over the edge than my username already is.

I believe that most high level situations get passed through an actual Rioter, so stuff like sever hate speech and whatnot are going to get flagged by a bot for review but not always directly handled.

This is because the punishment for those things varies from situation to situation. Of course I could be completely off here, this is simply me guessing based off what I have seen applied, other player's experiences, and what I know from working with Riot about how they tend to work.

Also note that only the last person to report them gets the notification, so if someone else reported them too, but took longer to do it, you personally wont get a notification.

There is one last possibility, and I really can't talk about it cause rules and shit. Suffice to say that beyond their account there is other stuff that a Rioter might want to manually check before dolling out a punishment.

Personally I feel like it would be fine to talk about that a bit more but because I have never seen another person who works with Riot mention it I am going to assume that category is off the table for discussion so I can't tell you anything else about it.

SwiftKitten888 votes

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Comes down to a couple things:

  1. Sometimes people think other players are bots when they are actually just REALLY bad, not saying this is the case, but it sometimes is and so blanket rulings work better so that we (Wardens and Arbiters) don't have to go and confirm whether and account was botting or not every time a name is mentioned (And we don't really have the ability to check that in the first place.)

Overall it would make it too dependent on our rulings of the situation when we don't have the tools necessary to make those rulings.

  1. Those accounts are sold to actual players. Now I will not make a comment regarding my/riot's opinion of those who buy accounts from botters, but at that point they are actually human players and as such they should be given their rights, regardless of any repercussions they might receive from supporting/buying from botters.

  2. We can't just follow some of the rules. To punish them by our rules means that they have to fall under all our rules. Basically you can't punish someone for breaking a rule without also giving them the rights that those same rules give. That is just how laws and rules work.

you literally cannot screw up figureing out of a person is a bot or not... they literally do the EXACT samt thing every game..

buy boots first item, walk down mid lane... stop between the two mid lane towers until the minons come... then dive under the turret and give the enemy bot mid laner a free kill.

they arn't exactly hard to identify.. its not like humans couldnt do the exact same thing 15 times in a row clicking the EXACT same spot between the towers .. waiting the EXACT same amount of seconds._ to the milisecond_...

to tell me rito cant even make a simple script to catch this flag it with warning so a real person can check the account? which would only take about 30 seconds to confirm its a bot.

its really not that hard...

it's not the the bot scripts they are using are very advanced...

hell if they can catch ACTUAL scripters... they can catch these bots blind...

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

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you literally cannot screw up figureing out of a person is a bot or not... they literally do the EXACT samt thing every game..

buy boots first item, walk down mid lane... stop between the two mid lane towers until the minons come... then dive under the turret and give the enemy bot mid laner a free kill.

they arn't exactly hard to identify.. its not like humans couldnt do the exact same thing 15 times in a row clicking the EXACT same spot between the towers .. waiting the EXACT same amount of seconds._ to the milisecond_...

to tell me rito cant even make a simple script to catch this flag it with warning so a real person can check the account? which would only take about 30 seconds to confirm its a bot.

its really not that hard...

it's not the the bot scripts they are using are very advanced...

hell if they can catch ACTUAL scripters... they can catch these bots blind...

Email the script to Riot if its so easy to make. I don't disagree that most of these should be easy to detect with some form of leaver/griefer buster that looks at the amount of damage dealt and where you're choosing to stand, even a noob will stand away from the towers even if they die 5-10 times in a row, people learn how to correct mistakes eventually. Though once people figure out the script the bots just have to be slightly more elaborate.

The way to solve the issue is to actively fight/correct it, and the fact this can go on for weeks or longer tells me that there's basically no effort or the effort that exists is just the standard report system that we have to take responsibility for.

Fondling Gems5 votes

The thing is that as a Warden, aka one of the fellows who patrols the boards, I personally cannot just say just go and watch a game to check that. After that I have to determine whether or not it was a hacked account. I would have to check multiple games every time this happened just to say whether or not people can name and shame them in a post.

Considering I see at least 20 posts a day just in my subsection about bots Wardens wouldn't have time to do anything else so it makes far more sense to simply apply a blanket no Name and Shame rule so that we don't have to spend hours weeding out the exceptions, especially when posting their names on the boards accomplishes less than just reporting them.

Basically the options are: a) Blanket Name and Shame and simply have people report them in game/submit a ticket if they forgot or b) Have Wardens spend hours a day watching replays of videos just to determine whether we have to censor the names in a post or not so that players can post the names of accounts on the boards where nothing will actually be done with them because the people in charge of that stuff are on the report/submit a ticket end of things.

And that still doesn't even touch on points 2 and 3.

Sraeg20131 votes

Offtopic:

I'm out of the loop again. Tell me, darling, what's this icon of yours?

PaladinNO2 votes

My dear, that is the Snowdown Showdown 2016 Snowflake icon. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Summoner_icon#Snowdown_Showdown

Cost was 250 RP, aquiration date was 23.12.2016, and its specification is a Snowdown 2016 legacy icon. It says "legacy", but I have lost track of exactly what that entails anymore - that policy seems to overlap with the "limited" policy and vice versa every so often.

Even more off-topic: Have you or can you pitch forth an invite from your ingame account?

Also, while I got you addressed, I think I'll take cue from you, level a smurf and use that for Board posts from now on. I am seemingly on my "final warning" here, according to Mod DioRook or whatever his name. Apparently, I have posted too many images not suited for gentle eyes and souls.

TwitchInMyPants1 votes

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My dear, that is the Snowdown Showdown 2016 Snowflake icon. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Summoner_icon#Snowdown_Showdown

Cost was 250 RP, aquiration date was 23.12.2016, and its specification is a Snowdown 2016 legacy icon. It says "legacy", but I have lost track of exactly what that entails anymore - that policy seems to overlap with the "limited" policy and vice versa every so often.

Even more off-topic: Have you or can you pitch forth an invite from your ingame account?

Also, while I got you addressed, I think I'll take cue from you, level a smurf and use that for Board posts from now on. I am seemingly on my "final warning" here, according to Mod DioRook or whatever his name. Apparently, I have posted too many images not suited for gentle eyes and souls.

Legacy = Sold in certain time periods, we might bring it back (most come back yearly or on special sales)

Limited = Sold in certain time periods, it will not come back unless we change our minds

PaladinNO2 votes

...unless we change our minds

Sounds about right.

General Esdeath 18 votes

Still waiting for Riot to put a captcha in-game for accounts reported as being bots.

IcyPepper1 votes

For what? Log-in? Each game you play?

And why for only accounts reported as being bots? If you get reported, the report is reviewed. I'd rather bot accounts be banned appropriately than risk annoying false positives (which are unlikely to happen, meaning there's less point to a captcha rather than a ban...).

General Esdeath 1 votes

Randomly, and you have 5 minutes to answer it or the account is locked.

And I'd rather know it's just a bad human player than another bot. Not to mention some people don't type/speak English.

IcyPepper2 votes

Or you can just ban those accounts. No need for unnecessary punishment for human players

General Esdeath 2 votes

Except banning a suspected account could mean banning a human.

IcyPepper1 votes

Then why give them captcha? I'm sure the botting owner can just enter it for the account...

Spice POWAH4 votes

If someone's botting i'd say there's a good chance they aren't actually watching or paying attention to what's going on, which is what the captcha codes are for. At the least, it'd make botting more of a chore.

TwitchInMyPants1 votes

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Randomly, and you have 5 minutes to answer it or the account is locked.

And I'd rather know it's just a bad human player than another bot. Not to mention some people don't type/speak English.

In-game that'd be a disaster even if it waited on fountain, it'd waste everyone's time and you can't restrict it by game modes since a bot is a regular player, it can enter every mode.

In-client that'd be a disaster since the client is meant to be sat on for extended periods before you get into a game. Tons of people sit on the client when they go to take a break, there's no need for TONS of accounts to be locked just to prevent bots. Just look for the dumb feeding behavior with scripts and actively update them so that we don't have to rely on players who are pissed that their games were ruined by a bot Riot won't ban.

General Esdeath 3 votes

Not in game unless it's vs AI, random as in:

in queue, after a game, champ select (will force a dodge)

And again, ONLY ACCOUNTS REPORTED FOR BEING BOTS. READ PEOPLE. I expected better from a fellow Pants.

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

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Not in game unless it's vs AI, random as in:

in queue, after a game, champ select (will force a dodge)

And again, ONLY ACCOUNTS REPORTED FOR BEING BOTS. READ PEOPLE. I expected better from a fellow Pants.

The workaround? Send bots into normal games instead. That's why you can't restrict by game mode. And I pointed out only accounts that get reported are the only ones getting banned and that its ruining games regardless. A detection script to get them out of the game quicker instead of relying on reports to build up is the only long term solution that won't create more problems.

Your solution would reduce it but if they have to do it in normals you'll have players vs teams of suiciding bots and they often won't feel incentivized to report due to their ez wins. It's not some easy solution. And as someone who crashes in bots inbetween games just for shits and giggles, 5 minute captchas constantly would just be terrible even if its on fountain, its not significant but its a total timewaster when bots are a minority of players but it affects people who play the silly modes and new players.

Sorry I'd rather Riot work at a long term solution to this griefing/cheating than just slapping captchas on the game and calling it a day.

muted team chat13 votes

A bot leveled account costs like ~15 dollars max. So, if you can work for minimum wage, a few hours of wage = 100s of saved hours leveling an account. Unless playing complete fiesta-smurf-ridden games is your idea of fun, then 1-30 is basically a huge barrier to playing the real game.

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

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A bot leveled account costs like ~15 dollars max. So, if you can work for minimum wage, a few hours of wage = 100s of saved hours leveling an account. Unless playing complete fiesta-smurf-ridden games is your idea of fun, then 1-30 is basically a huge barrier to playing the real game.

So are you talking a complete account with all champs, or just the exact amount of games to get to lv30? Because either way 15$ is cheap af and goes to show how little Riot bans these accounts, if there was real risk to botting the price would be higher.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

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So are you talking a complete account with all champs, or just the exact amount of games to get to lv30? Because either way 15$ is cheap af and goes to show how little Riot bans these accounts, if there was real risk to botting the price would be higher.

They're cheap because they cost almost nothing to produce. Even if 90% were banned, it's not very much effort to automate the process. Then you have to consider that Riot bans botting accounts in waves so it's harder for botters to guess Riot's detection methods. There's plenty of bot accounts that make it to 30, are sold, and then are banned in the next wave.

Imperial Japan11 votes

I mean all of my teammates act like bots anyways soo

TheDonar5 votes

I almost spit my drink out laughing at this.

I had an ARAM game recently where someone asked in the chat if our Anivia was a bot. After about 5 seconds the person responded with "I'm a person...why do you ask?" (they were like 0-6-0 at that point with no items)

There was a good 30 seconds of everyone else typing 'lmfao' 'lul' etc and the person who originally asked very diplomatically responding "uh your champ looked like it moved a little strange once..."

Best Ekko NA2 votes

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I almost spit my drink out laughing at this.

I had an ARAM game recently where someone asked in the chat if our Anivia was a bot. After about 5 seconds the person responded with "I'm a person...why do you ask?" (they were like 0-6-0 at that point with no items)

There was a good 30 seconds of everyone else typing 'lmfao' 'lul' etc and the person who originally asked very diplomatically responding "uh your champ looked like it moved a little strange once..."

Just because someone is there doesn't prove the account is not a bot. The bot is software controlling the character, similar to scripting. It doesn't prevent someone from being able to respond.

Dr Poro11 votes

One solution is to gain some ARAM ELO so you don't encounter those bots anymore, but then you're stuck with the ARAM accounts who own only the best champions and dodge whenever they get a free week champ that they can't reroll.

Riot should clean up these messes, both of them.

(P.S. I admit bots are way more problematic than ARAM accounts)

FioraWillCarry9 votes

Never thought I'd see the day these pests leave TT and infest other modes.

PaladinNO4 votes

The bots used to inhabit Dominion (before they moved to TT), which is the real reason behind Tencent killing off that mode. They found it to be cheaper and easier to just kill off the mode than actually deal with the botting problem.

TonyTonyMordecai7 votes

Don't forget about bots in PvP Twisted Treeline normal games (havent done any TT games in ranked yet)

Also, for anyone who wants to help find these bots, check what the free week champions are. If the "player" picks one of them, ask if they are human.

Kloqdq2 votes

Not in ranked because they are just trying to reach level 30 and they can't play ranked until then.

TonyTonyMordecai2 votes

Good point

Murdercap1 votes

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Don't forget about bots in PvP Twisted Treeline normal games (havent done any TT games in ranked yet)

Also, for anyone who wants to help find these bots, check what the free week champions are. If the "player" picks one of them, ask if they are human.

who the hell plays normal twisted treeline

TonyTonyMordecai4 votes

Enough for 6 actual players. It's easier to find humans if you're queued with other players

Itsbeghdev1 votes

I do I... don't blame you for not doing that though, some people don't even take ranked seriously on twisted treeline--like two days ago I was up against MissFortune Kindred KogMaw in ranked, when my 3 man asked them the obvious question of "why?" they said something along the lines of "it's TT"--so you may as well play the version of it that isn't full of bots and does have enough people in it to approach fair matchmaking, lol

TonyTonyMordecai2 votes

Though to be fair, Bard is pretty nuts on that mode. Especially the build I found for him, he ramps up so crazy just from his chimes

MooooooooreDakka2 votes

I used to have a bunch of problems with TT birds in normals but not recently so I guess at some point your MMR just gets high enough to not get matched with them.

9Wly9oMl024 votes

This problem has been going on for a long time. Riot refuses to do anything about it. Just another problem chalked up to "we don't have enough resources because we're too busy worrying about chat." Which, ironically, is the only negative thing in the game that we can actually control...with a simple click of the mute button.

Junkο3 votes

Riot actually does ban bots.

The problem is that they ban botted accounts AFTER they already reach level 30 and ruin many games because they want to discourage buyers from buying them, another problem is that they have this "if they reformed" they won't be punished policy, if the account has been played on a lot before a banwave they get away scot free.

9Wly9oMl025 votes

So you agree that they do not ban bots. They ban players that buy botted accounts.

Gone by Night2 votes

buy a bot? bots are free, I guess. Also League account is 5 USD on ebay.

idubbztv11 votes

Buying an account is sketchy as fuck. You can't change the email. Whoever owned the account can recover it any time they want and there's nothing you could do about it.

Megagon5 votes

They do unverified emails to trade these botted accounts,there's whole forums dedicated to trading bots with people who are dedicated to selling boughts.

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