Think you can get dev team read our ideas for some shaco buffs??We would rly love to see some changes!There are a lot of high elo shaco mains ideas on the tweet you might be interested jn.. Thanks for your time ~Shatsuki
DJBlackVoice8 votesGet my upvote buddy, sad people here will just downvote this and everything related to shaco, so much hate against us
Zeppelins circus2 votesGet my upvote buddy, sad people here will just downvote this and everything related to shaco, so much hate against us
Jungle as a consequence to all the nerfs has become way too simplified yet difficult of a role and people are resorting to easier champions to carry. Haven't seen a shaco on my team for a year. I wish the pimp of the league will rise again.
Currently he suffers from kit outdate and horrible itemization. Like what on earth is his main build now. Duskblade+Tri with Hydra? That is expensive as hell. How hard you should snowball to be even relevant?
Meteora7077 votes
Asnen1 votesPlease look at the winrate for Masters+ on patch 9.12 :)
Meteora7075 votesare you masters+? no? yeah the champion is very good at your elo, so yeah also for you.
Asnen2 votesAnytime you play Shaco you feed your ass off, so not really sure what you're trying to say. This is not even my main account btw, but it was a nice try of rankshaming me.
Meteora7072 votesAnytime you play Shaco you feed your ass off
took me a while to realize what the fuck you were talking about, this is a throwaway account that was shared by 10 people before it got perma banned lmao
nice try of rankshaming
saying that a champion is good at someones elo doesn't equate to rank shaming buddy.
Asnen2 votesBut hey, it's fine to show biased stats from a patch that just came out, and call the champ overpowered.
Meteora7072 votesI'm not calling shaco OP I'm saying that something that hasn't dropped bellow 50% wr for a year doesn't need buffs.
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Meteora7073 votesand you are absolutely horrible at logic and the game :)
Asnen2 votesNice one kid
Meteora7072 voteswelcome to another episode of "a fresh big boi teen calls everyone a kid since he finally feels like an adult" lmao
Rúna Köves3 votessigh... after the dark harvest changes then the jg experience ignite nerf and tiamat price increase his wr was belove 50% yet his otp adapted... its kinda funny how ppl still complaining about his wr while not counting on the pick rate which is decrasing for months... he is feeling horrible.... you need to do a perfect early game to not fall behind slightly or you become nonexistent for the rest of the game cuz that clown is soo itemrelevant... this champ is a walking runes and items basicly... till he can't get those items he is basicly a walking ward...
Meteora7071 voteswelcome to the discussion mr shaco main, I would like to remind you that it has been 18 months since 2017 and not less than a year :)
Rúna Köves2 votesi never talked about 2017 and the ardent meta my friend... i mainly refered last preseasson when riot reworked dark harvest - wich was shacman's main dmg rune back then - into a poke mage rune cut his late game dmg budget kinda hard.... i can agree that the old dark harvest was kinda cancerous in some situation... then the other indirect nerfs - tiamat price increase, ignite changes, jg xp nerfs - and the adc itemisation changed - henlo phantom dancer's free ~600 hp shield - hurt him much more... his early game is horrendous, then is mid and late is kinda acceptable if he not fall behind in the early game... cuz his item dependent kit lack the dmg to do anything on his own... he is kinda a wheelchair that roams around the rift the the items and runes that attached to it kills ppl...
still tho its still one veriable... there are other factors too my friend... pick rate and ban rate for example... these 3 veriable paint the whole pictute about a champs state not just one of them
Meteora7071 votesyou can clearly see that shaco hasn't fallen bellow 50% in the past year which is what I stated, I have no clue what you're arguing about. shaco is also the 16th most picked and banned champion in the jungle, I dunno what you want for your champion to be top 10 in everything? I'd figure win rate would be enough.
Rúna Köves2 votesmy main concern is u only talking about numbers yet - only one -- however ur method with the 50% wr is kinda false imo cuz shaco is a champ that nearly only his mains playing... there are not really casuals who bring this wr down... like for example lee sin who usually has hight pick rate yet 50% or lower wr... yet has significantly hinger dmg without items better early and mid game and higher dmg ratios on his kit then the clown
my arguement is mainly focusing around how horrible he feel and after the countles direct and indirect nerfs... how other jg assasins doing his job many times better cuz his kit lack of any dmg and how he depending on items and runes...
Meteora7071 votesat 10+ games played shaco players reach a 52,5% wr and his mains are reaching 58%, I don't see any problems here, seems like most other strong champions.
how other jg assasins doing his job many times better
you mean eve and kha? they have completely different playstyles and different powerspikes and times when they are strong.
Kr1sys1 votesare you masters+? no? yeah the champion is very good at your elo, so yeah also for you.
I mean, to your point, you're silver 4, and he's a 48%wr, bronze is 46% so your argument is kind of really terrible, not unlike your level of gameplay.
Meteora7071 votesthere's a na plat player shit talking me when I could play through your elo with 300 ping lmao
PopcornBunni1 votesPlease look at the winrate for Masters+ on patch 9.12 :)
Please look at the winrate for Challengers+ on patch 9.11 :)
Or the Grandmasters+ on current patch :)
:) :) :)
huhndog1 votesPeople are failing to realize that since hes already good at masters, riot will not make any changes that could effect pro-play. The only way to balance him out in casual and pro-play is to give him some type of mini-rework.
I believe they should switch his q from invis to camo, change his e to something else, and give him invis when he ults. To be honest I HATE this champion though.
Critmaster Garen6 votesi mean. do we really want shaco buffs though? be honest with yourself.
who actually likes playing against a strong shaco?
Babydactyl4 votesIt is extremely easy to counter shaco to the point where he is useless.
Critmaster Garen4 votesIt is extremely easy to counter shaco to the point where he is useless.
i dont see how thats a bad thing. if you ever played against a good shaco, you probably dont want to hear "buffs" and "shaco" in the same sentence.
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i dont see how thats a bad thing. if you ever played against a good shaco, you probably dont want to hear "buffs" and "shaco" in the same sentence.
Good Otp brings the full potential of a champion. Casuals just play cuz it's meta or lost to it and think it's op.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesOtp Good Choose one
Babydactyl4 votesYou don't understand. A good shaco can easily be countered by an autistic monkey with 5 braincells left. I remember vividly I was playing shaco stomping the game because as I am a good shaco xd. 17-3 Shaco can not kill 3-7 jinx with tabis. Let that sink in. 1100 gold item completely cucks us as a champion even being insanely fed. That of course is just one of shacos many easy ways to counter him.
PopcornBunni2 votesGive his stealth some actual counterplay making it camouflage first then talk about allocating power budget. Even just enough camo range so opponents can turn around before he gets his free backstab+
interaction would be sufficient. That would be like 300 for his autos, and 500ish to compensate Q's travel time.
Śhunpo2 votesI just want his kit to not feel like it's a half-finished clunky mess of a rework, which is what it is right now.
His E should deal adaptive damage, his ult should have its old untargetability duration and his stealth duration should be constant across all ranks.
Basically, AP Shaco is dead, ult is buggy and inconsistent and you NEED to level up Q ASAP otherwise you're not a real champion.
I wouldn't say he needs buffs, he just needs general fixing.
Kr1sys2 votesThe problem lies in that Shaco does so very little damage until he gets items. Basically no base damage at all. They shifted power away early so he could have a late, but simply some armor or tabis counters a full build for him since his damage is ultimately still terrible, especially for an assassin. Take rengar for example, he hits 6 and kills(usually a one shot) anything without damage items. Why does shaco have far less kill capability? Because his stealth is up 3 more times over the duration? Stealth doesn't matter when you're not a threat.
Fear the Kayn1 votesHas there ever been a champion where OTP ruin the chances of a champion getting buffs for the rest of the league community? Let's be honest here, for MOST players Shaco is dogshit and not worth playing over any other assassin jungler. He is only played by one tricks who learn every mechanic he has and how to abuse them, which on Shaco is much more effective than most other champions.
