It is really hard to play with Jg due to the reduction of jg exp. When u reach as lvl6, solo laners will be lvl 8 to 9. That is too much cuz if u fail to gank solo lane, the result is not gonna be overcome til end of the game.
Supporters dont need to spend gold to upgrade items but the price of the jg items are still same.
HeartPalpitation22 votesI agree the jungle blows right now people like to say "oh just adapt" or "this lets junglers show skill expression by being better than the enemy jungle at jungle pathing" but lets be real most of the population in league is plat or lower and pathing just does not exist in these elos. The jungle change was made specifically for dia+ and LCS to show mastery of the jungle and i'm sorry but that does not work for all elos. The average player should not instantly lose a game because they failed a gank and are now 2 levels down, it's just not really fair there there is virtually zero room for error. I have personally stopped jg after 6+ years because this shit feel absolutely terrible to play and sadly i won't be playing my main role in ranked next season. You know why jg is the "most impactful role"? Because it takes 1 fucking mistake to ruin the entire game for your team so yes it is the "most impactful role" in that sense.
nomeL2 votes6 years.. But you still can't adapt to jg changes?
HeartPalpitation18 votes6 years.. But you still can't adapt to jg changes?
The issue is that they change the jungle literally every. fucking. year. It's get incredibly tiresome that my main role is drastically altered on a yearly basis just for the sake of LCS and the 4% of players in diamond+. Play jungle for a week and just see how much impact your have oh and not to mention the endless amount of flame you get when you don't play perfectly and your enemy jungle just so happens to not fail a gank and you do and suddenly the entire game is over because of your ONE mistake.
nomeL2 votesI mean I agree that it can be frustrating always having the jungle changed but if the game doesn't change a lot then it would become stale, Riot wants to keep the game fresh to stay relevant. In my opinion, I think you're over exaggerating. It's easy to tell if a lane is gankable, and if it isn't then you secure camps, crab, or drag/herald. If you really fall so behind it means you aren't using your time efficiently.
ChaosReyn7 votesThat's partly true.
But this year in particular, it's sort of extreme. You mess up once, you are behind like 3 levels. You don't mess up once, but don't actually manage to get ahead, then compared to the rest of the game, you are still behind 1-2 levels.
And I mean, it's been this way since as long as I can remember, but if you mess up more than once, you're probably better off afk so you don't feed the enemy team anywhere you go.
It's not really an exaggeration. The jungle changes this year are pretty crippling, and A LOT of it has to do with how much power Riot wanted to put into dragons and the possibility of a second rift herald. They took all of the power from the jungle, and put it into "4 man bot asap and take drag hurr durr"
They're on the right track in nerfing dragons in the upcoming patch (except cloud, they're buffing that one, and honestly, that's fair) but you can legitimately level faster just joining a solo lane, unless you get ahead. Going even, you're still like 1.5 levels behind the solo lanes, and often about a level behind bot.
I get that failing within your role is supposed to be punishing. I don't mind falling horribly behind if I'm playing like shit (read: no I'm not, I'm tilted af...but I know why I'm behind...) but when nothing has gone wrong yet and I'm still level 4 to everyone else's level 6, there's an issue.
Tentacle Advisor9 votes...but when nothing has gone wrong yet and I'm still level 4 to everyone else's level 6, there's an issue.
This line, alone, pretty much sums up the current Jungle problems.
Slitorous1 votesworse when I am 2/0/4 with 100 cs and level 9 but the top lane is 100cs 0/0/0 and level 12
WhitePowerRengar1 votesThe problem now is that there's too much xp in lanes, so junglers who are behind are better off staying within xp range in lanes, cus the catchup xp in lanes is too big. Like take this game for instance: It's 30 minutes. I'm Lee Sin jungle with 217 cs and I'm 9-3-2. Enemy jungler is Eve. She's got 97 cs and is 11-4-7. We're both level 15 at this point. Is that fair? Like how can anyone claim it's fair that someone with 2 kills and 5 assists more, but 1 death more, as well as 120 cs less, is the same level? It just makes no sense. The problems with this started back when Riot started the catchup xp as well as buffing the ambient gold and xp.
Shiwachu2 votesI mean I agree that it can be frustrating always having the jungle changed but if the game doesn't change a lot then it would become stale, Riot wants to keep the game fresh to stay relevant. In my opinion, I think you're over exaggerating. It's easy to tell if a lane is gankable, and if it isn't then you secure camps, crab, or drag/herald. If you really fall so behind it means you aren't using your time efficiently.
Riot forums are worse than reddit lol, only place a post can get totally buried for being objectively correct
The OP has a fundamental misunderstanding of jungle as a role if they think the natural state of junglers is to be equal or higher level to laners without having snowballed or having gotten an insane lead
Please stop crying and improve your pathing rather than screaming into the void about how the numbers are why you're losing games
BlackXIV1 votesSomeone else has a fundamental misunderstanding of english apparently.
As if theythink the natural state of junglers should be falling 4 levels behind if they die twice and 1 level behind if they go 6-0 while farming efficiently.
Shiwachu1 votesSomeone else has a fundamental misunderstanding of english apparently.
As if theythink the natural state of junglers should be falling 4 levels behind if they die twice and 1 level behind if they go 6-0 while farming efficiently.
You keep throwing out these wild hypotheticals and strawmen while still not demonstrating any form of understanding of the role so you've kind of proved my point for me here. Thanks!
Slitorous1 votesThis happens allllllllll the time.... Luckily there is a mute button for scrubs that have no clue....
Tr4shB4NSYST3M9 votesImagine getting such a good lead on the enemy jg thru farm/scuttles and drags that Im 2 levels up on the enemy shyvana. But b/c my toplaner hard lost his lane, the enemy garen is still up 2-3 levels and Around 1 Fully completed item ahead of me.
This preseason, if my solo lanes are losing hard enough, I don't gank them anymore. B/c am likely so far behind that solo lane in terms of both gold and XP (which translates to VERY BEHIND in terms of combat stats), and so the most likely outcome is i just give them 300 extra gold.
ACriticalThinker2 votesQueue the Kai'sa on Red and Krugs, Syndra on Raptors, Garen on blue (Ik idk why either) and gromp = all my games when shit hits the fan...
Slitorous2 votesif we try to gank a fed solo lane we will just feed it... facepalm
JA Stulla1 votesI agree the jungle blows right now people like to say "oh just adapt" or "this lets junglers show skill expression by being better than the enemy jungle at jungle pathing" but lets be real most of the population in league is plat or lower and pathing just does not exist in these elos. The jungle change was made specifically for dia+ and LCS to show mastery of the jungle and i'm sorry but that does not work for all elos. The average player should not instantly lose a game because they failed a gank and are now 2 levels down, it's just not really fair there there is virtually zero room for error. I have personally stopped jg after 6+ years because this shit feel absolutely terrible to play and sadly i won't be playing my main role in ranked next season. You know why jg is the "most impactful role"? Because it takes 1 fucking mistake to ruin the entire game for your team so yes it is the "most impactful role" in that sense.
This is all a lie about low elo. I can farm to 2k gold without first buy on amumu also on morg jung too
WoonStruck9 votesThe fact that you aren't getting constantly invaded by amumu or morg (lol) kinda ruins any logic you're trying to create.
H00KIE10 votes[{quoted}](name=JA Stulla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jUttEyjV,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-12-18T02:40:51.413+0000)
This is all a lie about low elo. I can farm to 2k gold without first buy on amumu also on morg jung too
Any player who knows what they're doing would invade and steal your farm or crap on you in 1v1 with the greatest of ease on these champs lol
JA Stulla1 votesAny player who knows what they're doing would invade and steal your farm or crap on you in 1v1 with the greatest of ease on these champs lol
Ha. 3 points in q puts the fear of god into any invader worse the pathing in Jung is harder to dodge q. I see u are all new to jungle morgana and amumu. I have 70+% w/r so yea
H00KIE5 votes[{quoted}](name=JA Stulla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jUttEyjV,comment-id=0002000200010000,timestamp=2019-12-18T10:35:41.118+0000)
Ha. 3 points in q puts the fear of god into any invader worse the pathing in Jung is harder to dodge q. I see u are all new to jungle morgana and amumu. I have 70+% w/r so yea
You're stoned if you think those alone are enough to kill someone. Do you mean "I max Q so if I'm invaded I can hold them in place long enough for another lane to rotate onto me and help me get the kill"?
Anyone AD would ruin Morgana's day, anyone with a strong early like Elise would destroy both Amumu and Morg with ease as well. I can't really think of anyone who Morg/Amumu can beat that would likely invade them.
N0OneKnows1 votestbh now its olf lee elise ww meta cuz they can cheez and invade the enemy jung with ez cuz they can 1v1 or even 1v2 and have a huge control over objective
H00KIE2 votestbh now its olf lee elise ww meta cuz they can cheez and invade the enemy jung with ez cuz they can 1v1 or even 1v2 and have a huge control over objective
Correct, but I'm talking more about the fact that this dude is seriously trying to make us believe that his Morg/Amumu JG is shitting on other junglers when they invade him. This is literally just wrong. Either the enemy junglers are using nothing but autos, or one of his lanes is rotating onto him when he gets invaded so they can kill that enemy jungler. These two characters are not strong enough early to deal with invades.
Beerstein3 votesI agree the jungle blows right now people like to say "oh just adapt" or "this lets junglers show skill expression by being better than the enemy jungle at jungle pathing" but lets be real most of the population in league is plat or lower and pathing just does not exist in these elos. The jungle change was made specifically for dia+ and LCS to show mastery of the jungle and i'm sorry but that does not work for all elos. The average player should not instantly lose a game because they failed a gank and are now 2 levels down, it's just not really fair there there is virtually zero room for error. I have personally stopped jg after 6+ years because this shit feel absolutely terrible to play and sadly i won't be playing my main role in ranked next season. You know why jg is the "most impactful role"? Because it takes 1 fucking mistake to ruin the entire game for your team so yes it is the "most impactful role" in that sense.
100% nailed it, if you want to rise in ranks on your own merit regardless of the team, JG is the way to go, and that's because you're taking the weakest position and doing something with it without taking power off the map (4 other positions). The biggest problem is people OUTSIDE the jungle can mess you up bad.
I've been doing Ivern support with smite, doing pretty terrible if I'm honest, but it doesn't matter because I make the enemy JG do even worse, and that allows my team to win more than lose.
22 Caliber Rifle3 votesIn relation to this. As a jungle one trick it is much better to clear your camps ensuring you have at least slain the gromp once and Krugs once / twice depending on pathing then walk into a lane and take farm, apply pressure by just sitting there. Gain level 5 or 6. Reset to your jungle clearing it again leaving behind krugs then invading....
In short never clear your krugs after the first clear. They are a waste of time as well as been the furtherest camp from dragon pit. If you really want to, you can sit your blue side all game with out clearing top and you will be fine as long as you gank.
Another note, it’s just better to take your lanes XP after hitting level 4. It benefits you more then the enemy jungler who clears only their camps. It also brings upon the topic of early game junglers been more relevant then ever
Hügö1 votesThe thing is how good jungle is isn't in the hand of junglers but the laner with preparing ganks and reacting. Like never expect me to gank for you with 0 cc against LB or Zed.
wildfox9T1 votesi get what you mean and i agree,but on the other side a single gank + some pressure (literally walking near the lane once in a while) can literally shut down a laner and make him lose his lane (unless your laner is literally running it down),putting him 2 lvls behind and god know how much gold with all the farm and plating that he's losing for playing safe and getting harrassed without being able to fight back
don't get me wrong,i don't like junglers getting so behind because this makes a game decided by which jungler makes the first mistake,one become useless and the other snowballs like crazy like you said,but as laner if a jungler relentlessy gank me and always fail i want him to get punished somehow
Sunya UwU8 votesThe Jg exp changes just feel so bad to play with.
Scenario 1: Top lane is vs Darius and dies twice to him, Darius is level 6 while you are 4. There is no way in your mind you're going to go top and help your top laner out, you pretty much have to let him fend for himself or give chance at Darius 2v1ing with his level advantage.
It just feels so snowbally. If you end up getting fed as the jungler you just go in the enemies jungle and take all their camps while your teammates are doing the same taking the enemy camps as well, making it a 4v5 since the enemy jungler can't come back in levels.
If you're behind as a jungler you just want to /ff since everyone and their mother are taking your camps and before you know it you're down a bunch of levels. You can't do anything while you're behind to come back in levels.
GilxeN5 votes[{quoted}](name=Sunya UwU,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jUttEyjV,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-12-18T05:00:14.231+0000)
The Jg exp changes just feel so bad to play with.
Scenario 1: Top lane is vs Darius and dies twice to him, Darius is level 6 while you are 4. There is no way in your mind you're going to go top and help your top laner out, you pretty much have to let him fend for himself or give chance at Darius 2v1ing with his level advantage.
It just feels so snowbally. If you end up getting fed as the jungler you just go in the enemies jungle and take all their camps while your teammates are doing the same taking the enemy camps as well, making it a 4v5 since the enemy jungler can't come back in levels.
If you're behind as a jungler you just want to /ff since everyone and their mother are taking your camps and before you know it you're down a bunch of levels. You can't do anything while you're behind to come back in levels.
Exactly this what I experience, smarter top laner pushing my behind teammate top laner and invading me, keeps warded and checks opportunity just to one shot me.
FUN AND GAMES I guess.
N0OneKnows1 votesthis part i loled for it so hard i love when ur allrdy behind ( even if ur feed or geting stomped u will mostley allwasy be behind in lvl ) and ur team just casualy clear all ur jung like huh bruh x)
Charmy Bird6 votesJg feels godawful to play right now. We're being punished way too hard for dying or being a little bit slower while Champs like yasuo can be 0/10 and once he gets two items he's fine to return to the game and carry. Mid the strongest role got buffed while they made jg awful to play. It's not a coincidence that if u put mid secondary then u have ensured your primary role and u never get autofilled when u choose jg. Noone wants to play jg and everyone wants to play mid.
wildfox9T1 votesdrakes,heralds,ganks,i get that junglers are weaker due the XP but the role itself it's the more impactful,a winning mid can be shut down by any decent jungler
Charmy Bird1 votesdrakes,heralds,ganks,i get that junglers are weaker due the XP but the role itself it's the more impactful,a winning mid can be shut down by any decent jungler
Are u sure about that? Tell me how can a decent jungler kill a Mage or a yasuo who's ahead and is level 8 while the jg is 5/6.yea Nerf jg but don't overbuff solo lanes like that.
nomeL4 votesIf you're level 6 and your laners are lv 8-9, you've either died multiple times, ran around doing nothing for 3 minutes, or didn't secure any objectives.
GilxeN10 votesIf you're level 6 and your laners are lv 8-9, you've either died multiple times, ran around doing nothing for 3 minutes, or didn't secure any objectives.
So wrong on so many levels, I am 3-1, I am still behind in 2 levels compared to laners.
They just overgutted Jungle XP and lane XP share.
Shiwachu1 votesSo wrong on so many levels, I am 3-1, I am still behind in 2 levels compared to laners.
They just overgutted Jungle XP and lane XP share.
Why is your scoreline relevant? Super early kills give less gold and experience than a wave or two, sounds like its your fault for not knowing how to capitalise lmao
GilxeN2 votesWhy is your scoreline relevant? Super early kills give less gold and experience than a wave or two, sounds like its your fault for not knowing how to capitalise lmao
It's not all about score line, its all about participation and contribution which gives however no reward at all.
Gank failed? Fall off, gank success gain a little.
AFK farm gain nothing fall further.
Whole this Jungle change determines which team will win, a more roaming mid/top...
wildfox9T1 votesganks gain little!?!
your team gets 600g,plus the laner will get 1 or 2 waves and a tower plating,putting himself 1 lvl and another ~300g ahead
that can literally win someone's lane,after that you only have to make sure that the enemy jungler can't ank as well
GilxeN1 votesganks gain little!?!
your team gets 600g,plus the laner will get 1 or 2 waves and a tower plating,putting himself 1 lvl and another ~300g ahead
that can literally win someone's lane,after that you only have to make sure that the enemy jungler can't ank as well
???
I gain nothing XP share nerfed, the laner gets gold I get nothing, unless I tax cs for XP and gold.
Shiwachu1 votesIt's not all about score line, its all about participation and contribution which gives however no reward at all.
Gank failed? Fall off, gank success gain a little.
AFK farm gain nothing fall further.
Whole this Jungle change determines which team will win, a more roaming mid/top...
Well you said it yourself, the changes reward smart pathing and decision making and punish camping one lane and soaking exp as the meta dictated in s9. The point of the new jungle is to find a balance rather than go to either extreme which is pretty healthy for the game IMHO. Losing catchup exp sucks but in the end it incentivizes you to play smarter not harder
Slitorous1 votestruth nome obviously does not play jg
XDynamite1 votesIf you're level 6 and your laners are lv 8-9, you've either died multiple times, ran around doing nothing for 3 minutes, or didn't secure any objectives.
NomeL is right. Stop crying on boards bronze players , better go learn how to play jungle and then comment.
Currently when the midlane reaches lv6
you reach level 6.
And jungle is an role where you don't do flashy outplays.in the jungle you make a lot of decisions an improvise a lot during the game.
[sg-syndra]
pIlIThomas2 votesNomeL is right. Stop crying on boards bronze players , better go learn how to play jungle and then comment.
Currently when the midlane reaches lv6
you reach level 6.And jungle is an role where you don't do flashy outplays.in the jungle you make a lot of decisions an improvise a lot during the game.
[sg-syndra]
Let the adults talk please.
KlydeFrog2 votesTo me there is a glitch sometimes I go red raptors wolves and I'm 3. Other times red raptors wolves gromp then 3.
pIlIThomas7 votesYou probably are catching some XP from the midlane as you transition between camps.
JA Stulla1 votesJungle exp is fine. U still get more gold for full jungle item before 8 mins to be stronger than laners but lower in exp.
klin53716 votesa level gives about 600 gold worth of stats. So if a solo laner has 2 levels over the jg that is a 1200 gold difference.
idk if the camps give that much.
Ambitious Minnow2 votesa level gives about 600 gold worth of stats. So if a solo laner has 2 levels over the jg that is a 1200 gold difference.
idk if the camps give that much.
A level is closer to 450g for the average champ, maybe closer to 400g. Their is a list somewhere, it is a little different for each champ.
MasterDClone1 votesim having no problems keeping up in level if i jg right
Worst JG Wins6 votesim having no problems keeping up in level if i jg right
This is an XP graph of your last 2 JG games vs your Top laners. It doesn't seem like you're keeping up. Heck it seems like even as a Plat player playing with a bunch of silver/gold players you're falling 2 levels down, while having the worst KDA on your team in both games and even managing to do less damage then the support Braum
I i get it now you're a top lane main that's why you lied
