it's come to the point where if I were to pick akali she would instantly get banned by MY teammates, simply because they "don't like playing with akali because she's underpowered"... and there's a huge problem, where if she's as shit as right now, she would be too underpowered to be played, but if she was actually good (which she never really was but okay) she would always be banned by opponents...
The thigh guy9 votesNo one wants to deal with her. The rework was a failure. Get over it. She got the same treatment all the high skill cap ops got. Only difference is her player base is massive. :/
xZabaksx7 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-24T14:07:34.283+0000)
No one wants to deal with her. The rework was a failure. Get over it. She got the same treatment all the high skill cap ops got. Only difference is her player base is massive. :/
VolatileAkali6 votesWait what? Her player base PALES in comparison of most high skill cap champion. Example(s): Yasuo, Riven, Zed, Vayne and Kai'Sa. Her player base is actually small, but still bigger than most, still small though.
The thigh guy2 votesWait what? Her player base PALES in comparison of most high skill cap champion. Example(s): Yasuo, Riven, Zed, Vayne and Kai'Sa. Her player base is actually small, but still bigger than most, still small though.
I very rarely see any Vayne or Kai’sa mains lol. But even you have to admit akali mains have always been the loudest.
floo2 votesVayne and kaisa mains? On boards maybe Ingame you see them every second game it feels like. Especially now that Vayne is borderline freelo
VolatileAkali1 votesShe is, once you get the hang of her after like 20+ games.
VolatileAkali1 votesNo shit, when you remove the only thing that old Akali had and was loved, you're going to get a loud and angry minority.
Flashes2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-24T14:35:27.768+0000)
I very rarely see any Vayne or Kai’sa mains lol. But even you have to admit akali mains have always been the loudest.
Hi I'm a vayne main henlo
Kai'sa and Vayne are remarkably similar but their build paths are much different. Kai'sa has a stronger mid game, Vayne has a stronger late game. You're welcome for the commentary you didn't ask for
Tahminatrix 2 votesI don't see any real yasuo mains though, just ones that run it down lane and either die or right click their enemy to death then flash mastery 7
Oh wait...
VolatileAkali1 votesThat's one hella of a diss.
Rögue Assässin1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-02-24T14:07:34.283+0000)
No one wants to deal with her. The rework was a failure. Get over it. She got the same treatment all the high skill cap ops got. Only difference is her player base is massive. :/
well, since the rework was a failure, shouldn't riot re-rework her again?
Tobykachu7 votesI've been thinking this as well. Her shroud is STILL too unfun to play against due to how long it lasts, the sheer size of it and how quickly she re enters stealth after attacking (an issue accentuated on higher ping). These issues really haven't yet been addressed and any time she becomes slightly viable, she is going to enter the same insane ban rate she had before. Honestly think they need to go back to the drawing board and think of a new version of this shroud.
Hethalean1 votesI don't think Riot can manage a 'more fun' version of anything with a rework. Pretty much all reworks jsut become shit tons less fun to face. i mean if they fire CertainlyT there's a small chance but I'm just waiting for the next champion who comes out. They're really lackingi n the 'just completely automated mobility' department. A one where if a champion or particle skill shot gets close to them, it just teleports you an Ezreal E distance away to safety, and thinking like CT just a '.5 second cooldown for balance'
Hügö1 votesI have fun with reworked ww vOv
Chembaron Yamada1 votesYeah, he is probably the best and healthiest rework they have done yet. ^^
Dark Nephthys2 votesYeah, he is probably the best and healthiest rework they have done yet. ^^
I'd also put 
up there, though she did have that small phase where she was a little overpowered and stuff lol. But I feel her kit is healthy at least (at least compared to most reworks lol). Though I'm biased as she's my top lane champion
Chembaron Yamada1 votesEh, I have to say that I don't like the design of her W. It gives her too much agency in alot of match ups. There are quite some champions which have a single gap closer in their kit and her W can simply deny it with the press of a button. And since the skill does not alot else, there is not really a good way to bait it beforehands.
So in the end it means there are quite alot match ups for her in which she is the only one dictating when to fight. If you try to engage on her and she doesn't want to, she just goes "nah, dude, you can't".
Dark Nephthys1 votesWhile that's true but she is much healthier than she was pre rework which to me makes her a healthy rework. Maybe shes not entirely healthy in a general balance state, as when shes strong she is insanely strong and can be generally hard to balance overall but her kit is much healthier to face.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesI literally lose out on my Q with Poppy's W. T-T
Tobykachu2 votesTbh they're almost always more fun to play, but Riot seems to give 0 f*cks about the people playing against them. So they make a super overloaded champion that feels fun to play, but is ultimately way too strong in regards to the rest of the cast and the sheer over loaded nature of their kit means they inevitably have to become extremely weak to not be pick/ban status.
Hethalean2 votesWelcome to Riot reworks, their glorious "We rework champions in some cases like Aatrox and Akali because we have to keep them weak because they are extremely oppressive when ahead and hot shit when behind" mindset, which then they let CertainlyT even near a champion so you know it's just going to have 3 paragraphs explaining the 13 things each ability does, so it's even worse of a 'oppressive ahead, and shit behind' minus the shit behind part since it's hard to be garbage while behind when you have as much cc as they always do.
JeaneGreene2 votesIt was funny. The player base was like “make akali take turret shots,” and so it was done. But then Riot went crazy and took away the heal.
Dark Nephthys1 votesIt was funny. The player base was like “make akali take turret shots,” and so it was done. But then Riot went crazy and took away the heal.
I mean her healing was a bit much, and gave her way to much power in the lane even for losing lane match ups for her. Even was mentioned a lot in LCS matches when she was put up against un-favorable match ups to just sit back and farm and heal off of Q. It allowed her to easily just ignore and survive the lane phase to get her 
and level 6. So they removed her healing to actually give her a weakness the enemy laner can expose.
Akali is SO HOT2 votesPeople have been dodging a lot of my games after I pick Akali.
Shleelpboy2 votesMore like hot gutted.
Fízz v21 votesbut if she was actually good (which she never really was but okay) she would always be banned by opponents...
she was extremely strong before 9.3 tho
and she has a ton of buffs planned for next patch
chipndip13 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-02-24T14:54:44.536+0000)
she was extremely strong before 9.3 tho
and she has a ton of buffs planned for next patch
That 45% win rate still scares me to this da-
oh wait, strong?
Fízz v21 votesIf you are good at her yeah. Ive played Akali a lot and I still get mad at myself for not playing perfectly after most fights xd
chipndip11 votes[{quoted}](name=Fízz v2,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-02-25T06:21:04.539+0000)
If you are good at her yeah. Ive played Akali a lot and I still get mad at myself for not playing perfectly after most fights xd
That point isn't reached for almost the entire community, and never has been.
Fízz v21 votesYeah but if you were good enough on her she was extremely strong. See pro play and high elo presence. Now she cant really push leads by diving anymore tho
Deliberate Inter1 votesAkali is really good because she can survive or win every lane phase in the game (which even famous lane bullies like draven, pre nerf zoe and old school lee sin) couldn't do because they had some matchups that just destroyed them. She also has a useful kit (at high enough elo) because of her cc cancels, dueling, splitpushing and teamfighting vs hard engage comps (read, not poke). Not to mention she is one of the true 6 item champions of LoL, right up there with draven and malzahar. The 6 item tank isn't THAT different than the 5 item tank or the 4 item tank. The 6 item vayne isn't THAT different from the 5 item vayne, but the 6 item akali is a totally different beast than the 5 item akali and can be almost a victory condition unto herself when played by a good player.
Rögue Assässin1 votes[{quoted}](name=Brony Gaymer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-02-24T15:13:49.980+0000)
Akali is really good because she can survive or win every lane phase in the game (which even famous lane bullies like draven, pre nerf zoe and old school lee sin) couldn't do because they had some matchups that just destroyed them. She also has a useful kit (at high enough elo) because of her cc cancels, dueling, splitpushing and teamfighting vs hard engage comps (read, not poke). Not to mention she is one of the true 6 item champions of LoL, right up there with draven and malzahar. The 6 item tank isn't THAT different than the 5 item tank or the 4 item tank. The 6 item vayne isn't THAT different from the 5 item vayne, but the 6 item akali is a totally different beast than the 5 item akali and can be almost a victory condition unto herself when played by a good player.
why does she have a 39.2% w/r at every elo - including diamond, master, grandmaster and challenger?
0 Hogapu1 votesshe's not so far from being viable tbh...
next buffs coming are going to help her a lot (for the record : her ult CD will be 100/90/80 instead of 120/100/80).
her ult CD wasn't too high in comparison to the others champions, but Akali almost never buys CDR (sometimes on 
or on 
) but she rarely goes over 10%, making her effective ult CD quite huge compared to other champions.
she needs the scaling with minutes time to be invisible in shroud bullshit to disappear (why not make it scale down her R or W level ????)
and after that, we got an assassin that got clear weaknesses (laning phase), that got a clear powerspike (6 and so on against immobile mages) and can ACTUALLY play midgame, or whatever the game phase before min 30 is called.
she doesn't need to be invisible under towers, that was just under League's most basic rule (aka towers protect you)
I am confident she only needs number changes at this point.
Rögue Assässin1 votes[{quoted}](name=MTFN Azor ,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jT79JYEa,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-02-24T18:09:56.515+0000)
she's not so far from being viable tbh...
next buffs coming are going to help her a lot (for the record : her ult CD will be 100/90/80 instead of 120/100/80). her ult CD wasn't too high in comparison to the others champions, but Akali almost never buys CDR (sometimes on
she needs the scaling with minutes time to be invisible in shroud bullshit to disappear (why not make it scale down her R or W level ????)
and after that, we got an assassin that got clear weaknesses (laning phase), that got a clear powerspike (6 and so on against immobile mages) and can ACTUALLY play midgame, or whatever the game phase before min 30 is called.
she doesn't need to be invisible under towers, that was just under League's most basic rule (aka towers protect you)
I am confident she only needs number changes at this point.
I completely agree with you when it comes to her W, but I honestly think her heal should be back.
jrkanaan1 votesshes getting buffed in a future patch
Revive Aatrox1 votesMy proposition to fix her more.
Q- Remove the slow, give the spell a real cool down, bring back the healing W- revert to true stealth. decress duration of shroud near turret, ( azir soldier style) Max 3 second duration E- Give this spell more importance by using E2 for micro stun (no more slow so, thats the only ''cc'' you got except gunblade) R- Targeted ( no more using R to dodge freely ) One stack that reset on kill and assist
This would bring back more of the core akali. Resets and healing. and less on slowing some one to death.
chipndip11 votesMy proposition to fix her more.
Q- Remove the slow, give the spell a real cool down, bring back the healing W- revert to true stealth. decress duration of shroud near turret, ( azir soldier style) Max 3 second duration E- Give this spell more importance by using E2 for micro stun (no more slow so, thats the only ''cc'' you got except gunblade) R- Targeted ( no more using R to dodge freely ) One stack that reset on kill and assist
This would bring back more of the core akali. Resets and healing. and less on slowing some one to death.
You want a blindingly fast execute that resets?
Revive Aatrox1 votesNope, just a reset...old R had a reset but did 100 damage... not an execute.
There's few champs with resets (on kill ) in the game. Akali was one, not anymore, she got kicked of that country club. Akali was a champion that healed from her ability/passive, like many champions, not anymore she got kicked of that country club too.
What club she's in still ?
The Semi-visible, the spell should be balance like a vlad pool or a fizz E
RainXBlade1 votesThe problem with Akali is that she is inherantly unfun to play against because of the nature of her kit and that no amount of number changing is ever going to make her fair and balanced to play against. The biggest glaring issue with her kit is most definitely her W, even after the nerf where towers can now target her while she's under them.
Then again, CertainlyT was the one in charge of her rework. And he made Yasuo, so there's that too. At least with Yasuo, it's possible to lock the bastard down.
chipndip11 votesThe problem with Akali is that she is inherantly unfun to play against because of the nature of her kit and that no amount of number changing is ever going to make her fair and balanced to play against. The biggest glaring issue with her kit is most definitely her W, even after the nerf where towers can now target her while she's under them.
Then again, CertainlyT was the one in charge of her rework. And he made Yasuo, so there's that too. At least with Yasuo, it's possible to lock the bastard down.
If Akali wasn't being locked down, she would have been winning more BEFORE she was gutted. She was losing solo queue games ever since her release, and has been made worse and worse with each patch regardless of how pitiful she's become in solo queue.
Paroe1 votesIf Akali wasn't being locked down, she would have been winning more BEFORE she was gutted. She was losing solo queue games ever since her release, and has been made worse and worse with each patch regardless of how pitiful she's become in solo queue.
isnt that mostly due to roadhog syndrome though? Shes not being nerfed because she is to strong, shes being nerfed because of the perception that shes to strong.
Doesnt help matters that riots balance policy is limelight - Akali is just anothe runfortunate victim.
chipndip11 votesisnt that mostly due to roadhog syndrome though? Shes not being nerfed because she is to strong, shes being nerfed because of the perception that shes to strong.
I've said that for months and no one cares.
The Highest Noon1 votesShe's gettng hella buffed pretty soon so don't worry. :D
The Highest Noon1 votesIt's just like I said:
When you remove her heal and her Shroud power, guess what? Riot's going to increase her numbers and decrease her cooldowns to makeup for the drop in utility.
AND LOOK WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO DO TO HER
Shiroe Okazaki1 votesIf they bring back the heal i think she would be a lot better again. The heal was essential in old and new akali IMO
kda akali1 votesim an akali main rn and im having small success with conq + timewarp and biscuits. you can cheese level 3 with conq, its fairly easy to get the 5th stack. just use q auto w q auto e e auto and then ignite and kite them w autos. other than that she kind of falls off late and its hard to carry.
you really have to work harder than most champions just to get an average reward. shes so fun though so thats the reward we get for playing her.
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