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Vladimir is just broken

ProfessorMidge1·Jul 28, 2019·9 votes·3,119 views

How is it balanced when sustain champion deals 1k+ dmg just from his empowered Q? And also heals for almost full health with same ability mid-late game?

How is it balanced when Vlad can literally solo dive 5 people, get 3 kills with his R E and then clean up the rest with Q and E again?

How is it balanced when Vlad has almost no CD on his E and Q mid-late game? He deals so much damage and he can literally spam it.

How is it balanced when Vlad is ungankable? He just W away and heal with Q. If you want to turret dive 1/3 HP Vlad, guees what he will Q E W and u are dead from turret shot.

Every single time when enemy picks Vlad it's gg. He will get 8 kills in a lane and a CS advantage and after this just 1v9 carry whole game. Because he can literally delete my whole team 1v5.

Literally everyone complains about Vladimir. He's cancer in low elo. You watch Challenger streamers - they complain about him too.

Nerf Vlads damage or nerf his sustain. Or even better - both.

24 Comments

The thigh guyJul 28, 20194 votes

Allow me to introduce you to summoner 14 item 3076 item 3123 item 3165

(Insert mr item here)

SuicidePlankJul 28, 20193 votes

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Allow me to introduce you to

(Insert mr item here)

Doesn't prevent him from Wing under my Frontline with increased MS + Phase Rush + Nimbus Cloak, charging his E and oneshotting my ADC. ;)

The thigh guyJul 28, 20191 votes

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Doesn't prevent him from Wing under my Frontline with increased MS + Phase Rush + Nimbus Cloak, charging his E and oneshotting my ADC. ;)

Then he’s in the center of your team ready to be blown to shit.

ProfessorMidge1Jul 28, 20193 votes

Zhonya's while his team clean up, then one more E Q to get free kills

The thigh guyJul 28, 20191 votes

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Zhonya's while his team clean up, then one more E Q to get free kills

Except he’s now zhonyas and can’t hit anyone and your team has first reaction to anything his does?

SuicidePlankJul 28, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jHzFERlg,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T09:06:21.760+0000)

Except he’s now zhonyas and can’t hit anyone and your team has first reaction to anything his does?

Team, without squishy Targets, because they got either oneshot, or are at 1/4 HP.

SuicidePlankJul 28, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jHzFERlg,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-07-28T07:57:37.283+0000)

Then he’s in the center of your team ready to be blown to shit.

Because Zhonyas and his 40-45% CDR aren't a thing. Ye..

FSRERJul 28, 20192 votes

Yeah because thonrmail will do perfect work against vladimir! What a genius

The thigh guyJul 28, 20191 votes

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Yeah because thonrmail will do perfect work against vladimir! What a genius

Oh wow. It’s almost like I gave 4 different options. Wooooooooooow. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

preternaturalJul 28, 20194 votes

vlad is so broken they had to remove will of the ancients to attempt to balance him. a champion got an entire item removed, this isn't a class getting dfg removed this is just one champion. yes he's broken riot don't know what to do with him though.

WoonStruckJul 28, 20192 votes

WotA was broken. Not Vlad. They had to keep Vlad weak (without it) because of how absurdly good it was on him (and many others) .

There were loads more issues with WotA (or the old jungle item, which even Ez took iirc) than there were with Vlad at the time.

Vlad was just complained about because the meta in top lane at the time was attrition, which Vlad can easily scale into and WotA pushed what he did further.

preternaturalJul 29, 20191 votes

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WotA was broken. Not Vlad. They had to keep Vlad weak because of it.

There were loads more issues with WotA (or the old jungle item, which even Ez took iirc) than there were with Vlad at the time.

Vlad was just complained about because the meta in top lane at the time was attrition, which Vlad can easily scale into.

vlad was way more satisfying to play as and against when WOTA was live.

WoonStruckJul 29, 20191 votes

Most people played melees top and didn't know how to handle range vs melee matchups at the time. That was a large part of it.

Kennen did the same thing, as well as Rumble.

preternaturalJul 29, 20191 votes

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Most people played melees top and didn't know how to handle range vs melee matchups at the time. That was a large part of it.

Kennen did the same thing, as well as Rumble.

it's not about how to handle him, it's that the lane interactions were outright more satisfying as opposed to "oh vlad has 3rd Q so i don't get to interact with the lane for this bit of time."

WoonStruckJul 29, 20191 votes

Most people's issue at the time was they felt there wasn't a window to trade with him because range+sustain.

However, early game he was absurdly weak if you could force an engage and had a lower cd engage than his pool.

Perception of how to handle him was a lot different because laning was about trading/attrition, not forcing engages.

Now matchups are more interactive for the vlad (9 second Q cd lvl 1 instead of 12 sec, can use E without killing yourself early game), and depending on the match-up, either more or less interactive for the opponent as well.

There are things I like/dislike about old vlad, as well as the new one.

ProfessorMidge1Jul 28, 20193 votes

Grevious Wounds btw lol. Doesn't matter, 18/3 Vlad wouldn't even notice difference since his healing is huge and he can spam his Q.

TrikzterzArmaJul 28, 20192 votes

Pssst. There's a thing called Grevious Wound

Salty JhinNov 8, 20191 votes

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Pssst. There's a thing called Grevious Wound

OH YEAH GRIEVOUS WOUNDS TOTALLY HELPS AGAINST HIS 1723192339812322193398987 DAMAGE.

nachocheeseeeeeJul 28, 20192 votes

Remember the time Vladimir couldn't do shit to Fiddlesticks in lane. Sigh, boy do I miss those days. Anyway, don't know about now, but Malzahar seems to be an okay pick against him in midlane. I remember Swain used to be a good counter too, but don't know much about it now. Back when Will of the Ancients was an item, I would take it on my Cassiopeia and hardly ever lose to Vladimir. Items and spells to take against Vladimir: item 3001 item 3194 item 3165 item 3033 item 3151 item 3153 item 3135 item 3157 item 3102 item 3026 item 3156 item 3814 summoner 14 summoner 21 .

WoonStruckJul 28, 20191 votes

You take MR against Vlad. Its his damage you should be worried about more than his healing.

Vlad plays more like an assassin than an AP bruiser currently. Anyone remotely tanky can easily deal with Vlad atm unless he has a huge lead. MR shuts down what he does hard. Wasting resources on countering his healing sets you behind. It doesn't matter if you reduce his healing if you don't have the guns to stand up to him or he 1 shots you anyway.

Aatrox Anivia AurelionSol Cassiopeia Diana Kassadin Malzahar Orianna Rumble Riven Zoe Xerath Velkoz all do well into him pretty consistently mid. Ryze used to be there, but now that his W only slows instead of snares, Vlad can trade with him freely unless he has flux on himself.

Just watch out if he takes predator if you're one to abuse his lack of range/mobility.

LPelican Jul 28, 20191 votes

Or don't stand together, don't group up, burst him after he pools, Get grevious wounds, shut him down early, counterpick, deny farm, ask your jungle to gank, ward, get gold from roams then shut him down, play FUCKING anivia and don't get touched, lissandra is also a decent option, W long cooldown, don't give him the cs lead by csing better, only does 1k damage when hes fed (with one Q only most of the time its empowered anyway), and that's like complaining about a fed champion (whoa, people actually think getting one shot by someone who has 8 kills in lane and a huge cs advantage is broken), take ignite for GREVIOUS WOUNDS as previously stated, or take teleport when you are in a bad spot where he can dive you, streamers complain about everything, low elo players literally complain about master yi... MASTER YI. MASTER FKIN YI, also if vlad is solo diving 5 people then game is over because you fed him ? 0/0 / 0/1 vlad doesn't do that

Daiki KuroyamiJul 28, 20191 votes

What if instead of coming here to cry you learn to play against him? I am main Vladimir and I can assure you that it is not immatable, in fact it is not the most broken that currently exists. It isn't even broken unless he get kills.

WoonStruckJul 28, 20191 votes

So much misinformation about Vlad.

If you want to counter him you have to have the range/mobility/tankiness to deal with him. The large majority of the time GW, although it can help, won't play a part. Don't invest in it early unless you already win vs him, since it only lets you trade better vs him. If he still wins trades, goes even, or even slightly worse, its effectively useless.

You want either MR (and damage, whether it be LoL's stupidly balanced tanks or an offensive MR item) or the right pick with the right amount of damage to deal with him.

NheraxAug 23, 20191 votes

As if his healing was the real problem, and not the Q dealing 1500+ damage after he builds Rabaddon. [sg-miss-fortune]

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