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Phantom Dancer

Stun Gun··11 votes·5,148 views

Since Worlds is going on right now, I know that nothing major will be changed, but I'm going to put this out there as a recommendation for maybe the pre-season updates. If any of you remember, back when item 3053 was enabled for ranged champions, ADC's would build it, and specifically Kog'Maw. It was possibly the most aids thing you can fight because he was basically un-killable with Lulu, so thankfully, Riot acted on this and removed the option for ranged champion to purchase steraks, which was great. Now with the new item 3046 it has come back to haunt us. It is not as bad as steraks on adc, but there are similarities. This similarity is the shield. Riot has just contradicted themselves with this.

In my opinion Phantom Dancer is one of the strongest items in the game, it provides too many stats for one item.

"30% attack speed, 25% crit, 5% movement speed, A unique passive SPECTRAL WALTZ: Basic attacking a champion grants Ghost ghosting and 7% bonus movement speed for 2 second (which is basically phage passive that stacks if you buy a phage), and LIFELINE: If you would take damage that would reduce maximum health below 30%, you first gain a shield that absorbs 240 − 600 (based on level) damage decaying over 2 seconds (90 second cooldown)."

As you can see, Phantom Dancer gives 240 - 600 damage shield that decays over 2 seconds. The item provides defense, mobility, and damage. It has a super easy build path, and only totals to a cost of 2600.

I believe the best solution for this item is to change the decay time to 1 second or lower the shield amount or completely remove the passive as a whole, and maybe revert PD to what is was before.

Let me hear what you guys think.

14 Comments

OtterlyLost8 votes

Hmmm... How about no.

Seriously, PD is not an issue. It gives a very marginal protection against being bursted; it trades a lot of utility for less damage compared to other options. Most ADCs would 100% prefer to get Shiv/RFC combo as they would like to get more energizer procs(IE, more damage). This isn't even touching on the fact that buying PD locks them out of getting Maw or Steraks and the key difference between PD and Steraks being that PD doesn't give health or tenacity or, for that matter, AD.

Seriously, why is it okay for assassin's to have Maw and Edge of Night to prevent them from getting bursted on top of of their own insane mobility? Why is it okay for mages to get Zhonya's, the single best Offensive and Defensive item in the game? If we're going to start removing anti burst from carry champions, then Edge of Night, Maw, Zhonya's, and GA all should go as well. As should Death's Dance, for that matter.

No build diversity or build thought at all for anyone. Damage people are only allowed to build damage.

Yets42403 votes

Then how about losing the ghosting passive, losing the extra movement speed, or increasing the cost to something more reasonable given that the item gives you utility, mobility, damage on par with other zeal items, AND massive amounts of defense (relative to ADCs base health, and no ADC I have played with or against in quite some time has purchased literally any other defensive item, let alone anything to increase their HP). It gives everything an ADC could possibly want except for sustain which is already covered passively through runes.

Stun Gun3 votes

Totally agree with you.

OtterlyLost1 votes

It gives ADCs everything they could possibly want except sustain, more damage, a half decent rush item, any kind of defensive stat outside of a shield on a CD that overlaps with an item that does give MR and a shield. Oh and it gives less overall stats than other zeal items.

item 3087 Gives 10% more AS, more damage, and synergizes far better with more items(BoRK, RFC, Stormrazor, FleetFootwork). item 3094 Gives more range, more damage, and also synergizes with far more things(all the same things as Shiv) item 3085 10% more AS, 2% more MS, gives more AoE damage which can crit, applies all on hit affects to its bolts.

All PD gives is a shield and some MS; it doesn't give more damage(like all three of the other zeal options do), it doesn't give wave clear, it doesn't give AD(Maw, Steraks, GA all at least give AD), it locks you out of getting maw because of the life line passive, and calling it cheap is disengenuous as many marksmen ADCs at the very least don't rush this item. Its usually their third item; a tiny, miniscule amount of marksmen rush it as their second item and none rush it as their first because it needs IE in order to be good.

Most marksmen are already two items in when they're trying to build PD; that means they're at item 3031 (3400) and item 3087/item 3085 (2600) already, and likely have their boots, another 1100. So before they get PD, they've already spent 7100 gold on items. Considering an assassin can rush a Hexdrinker first item and not lose huge amounts of damage, I think its pretty fair.

PD is fine as is. Most ADCs would prefer to build things other than it in the first place because it flatly gives less damage any any of the other three options.

Stun Gun1 votes

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OtterlyLost1 votes

And still understand the game better than you. Must feel bad.

My rank has 0 to do with this discussion or the facts that I laid down. Trying to bully me into silence by pointing out my rank in a situation where it has 0 bearing isn't going to win you this argument.

Sucction5 votes

{quoted}

Hmmm... How about no.

Seriously, PD is not an issue. It gives a very marginal protection against being bursted; it trades a lot of utility for less damage compared to other options. Most ADCs would 100% prefer to get Shiv/RFC combo as they would like to get more energizer procs(IE, more damage). This isn't even touching on the fact that buying PD locks them out of getting Maw or Steraks and the key difference between PD and Steraks being that PD doesn't give health or tenacity or, for that matter, AD.

Seriously, why is it okay for assassin's to have Maw and Edge of Night to prevent them from getting bursted on top of of their own insane mobility? Why is it okay for mages to get Zhonya's, the single best Offensive and Defensive item in the game? If we're going to start removing anti burst from carry champions, then Edge of Night, Maw, Zhonya's, and GA all should go as well. As should Death's Dance, for that matter.

No build diversity or build thought at all for anyone. Damage people are only allowed to build damage.

Imagine thinking adcs even can go and purchase Steraks, and using that as your argument.

That literally can't, no matter how much they want to. They physically cannot buy the item.

OtterlyLost1 votes

ADC covers a lot bigger ground than just the marksmen, you know. .-. There is also these assholes: Tryndamere MasterYi Yasuo

Two of which do regularly build PD but to do so would lock them out of the option for Steraks and the third situationally builds PD or Steraks.

Sucction1 votes

{quoted}

ADC covers a lot bigger ground than just the marksmen, you know. .-. There is also these assholes: Tryndamere MasterYi Yasuo

Two of which do regularly build PD but to do so would lock them out of the option for Steraks and the third situationally builds PD or Steraks.

Yi doesn't touch PD unless he has no clue how to build

Same with Tryn and Yas. None of them ever use it.

Yas needs shiv + berserker's to cap Q CD lmao

Also, none of them are adcs. Don't be snarky with the term, you know very well what meant by it. It's an alternate name for marksman.

Tryn, Yas and Yi are skirmishers.

OtterlyLost1 votes

I'm sorry. Tryn, Yas, and Yi suddenly don't use AD and carry, thereby making them Attack Damage Carries?

And excuse me, but Yasuo does build PD. There are Pros right now building PD on Yasuo. In fact, every single ProPlayer is building PD on Yasuo: https://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/157

As for Trynd and Yi, they situationally build it and downvoting me and getting nasty isn't going to change that blatant fact.

And you were the one nitpicking my post in the first place and claiming I said that Marksmen(the champions YOU meant) built Steraks when I never once stated that. Just because I didn't use the word "Hypothtically" before the word Steraks doesn't mean I have stated at any point that Marksmen ADCs could build Steraks and doesn't change the fact that the rest of my post is accurate.

Vezeuse2 votes

The entire point still stands lol.

Daddy Ants2 votes

No.

caseybanned1 votes

PD's defensive passive is garbage compared to steraks and zhonyas.

With the current damage creep, a lot of mages and assassins (such as veigar and zed) already do well over the hp bar of ad carries if they land their combo.

The thigh guy1 votes

Removing defensive options with damage THIS fucking high would be the biggest mistake riot could ever make. Besides making ekko_

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