It's time to actually Nerf Brand.

Ionshatter·2/1/2019, 4:51:02 PM·28 votes·6,121 views

It's not even execusable any more, Brand needs to be nerfed into the ground. That champion is the most brain dead auto win button I have ever seen in any lane he's taken in. As for my credentials I main support and fill jungle. Inb4 crying brand mains come crying let me lay down some knowledge on yall.

Brand is not a squishy champion. At full build he can have upward of 2500 hp including his stupid high armor. And thats just a normal build, not including zhonyas and archangels. I've even seen Brand face tank a fed Jax and win.

Immobility does not matter. You can kite with your stun, and by that time he has already killed the entire enemy team.

Low mana does not balance him. 1 combo at level 3 can do 50 percent of most champions hp, not including ignite or jg support. With that kind of power he shouldn't have abundant mana.

Skillshots missing are not balance. Good players dont miss, and he has a stun to make it easier, and 2 point and click garunteed damage abilities. The skillshots are very wide and not difficult to land either, so buzz off with "skill" shots.

Melee champions do not have counterplay vs Brand. Just W under his feet, stun, 1 shot. Literally impossible to miss.

Brand does not have problems clearing waves of minions. At 1 item he can 2 shot any wave of minions, no matter how large.

Brand does %Max hp, AOE, Burst, Sustain damage. This is never acceptable. He's like vayne except its the entire team and not just 1 person.

Brand's ult has very, VERY little counterplay. Summoners rift is not large enough for teams to feasibily engage spread out far enough to avoid it, not every champion is a mage with zhonyas, and it bounces off of minions. Not to mention the absurd damage it does to everyone, including tanks and those stacking mr. Brand's ult outclasses every other teamfight ult by far. Neeko has to stand inside the enemy team to hit, Irelia ult can be avoided or flashed through, Velkoz can be stunned or ccd out of his etc. Brand can point and click, 1 and done. His ult does more in teamfights than some entire champions.

Brand being nerfed recently is not an excuse to not nerf again. See Akali.

Brand is not a weak. Brand is a cancer to league, and must be removed as soon as possible. You will not change my mind on this, or anyone's.
Anyone that defends Brand just enjoys the free Elo from point and click vaporising of entire enemy teams.

-Suggested nerfs: For god's sake remove his passive. Replace it with something along the lines of he stuns after landing 3 consecutive abilities. Anything but % max hp on aoe burst sustain damage.

His ult can bounce only once off 1 champion and cannot chain to more than 2 minions.

Reduce the cast range of W. He has so much hp and resists, he could stand to stand a little closer.

Make his point and clicks skillshots, or at leas projectiles so champs like Yasuo Braum could stop it.

If he's weak after that, buff the non canceous parts of his kit, like movespeed, ap scaling, mana regen, etc.

It's time Riot. Get rid of Brand bot lane and put him where he belongs.

62 Comments

kingDeDeDarius2/1/2019, 8:48:07 PM12 votes

Your vote is stupid and biased. Put real options up there. You are super salty, brand got a strong nerf, and he's definitely far from the most braindead champ around, so that's an obvious sign you are either super salty or straight lying. Jax is braindead, yi, tryn, kogmaw, etc. Brand has reasonable CDs and telegraphed skill shots, outside of stun he has zero utility, zero defensive mechanics, zero mobility. He gets rekt by lux supports and by decent thresh, blitz, velkoz, and pyke supports. Get gud and stop whining. That last Nerf reduced his full rotation combo damage by a whopping 6% damage. So he builds some ho and armor? First, we all know it's a running joke that armor is worthless, so let's get that out of the way. Second, he is neither a tank nor an offtank and can easily be oneshot by super high burst assassins who get in super fast and get out, or he gets out dps by adcs, bruisers, that get past or avoid his stun. Mobile champs easily out harass him, and longer range mages often destroy him when in good hands, aka velkoz, lux (who is very strong rn) and xerath. Mid assassins like zed, talon, fizz, and lb rek him. Mobile bruisers like irelia and riven embarrass brand, and so do mobile adcs like vayne, kaisai, oucian, and ez. Like brand is built for team fight damage output and that's literally it. So he can beat an op bruiser like Jax? How is that not fair, Jax is linear and ez to stun (though a smart Jax will simply use a minion to block the stun and absorn much of brands ult and passive with his own ult base stats and E damage reduction, not to mention steraks). Jax is OP af and could use some counters like brand, so any melee and adc champ gets default rekt by Jax once he presses one ability, aka his E. Oh and forgot to mention, assassin and hyper carry jgs like kha, rengar, and yi absolutely rek brand like he's paper, even if he builds high hp (no you're full of crap he doesn't build any more armor than any other mage. He only buys zhonyas, and maybe tabi, which reduces his damage output). The fact is brand is balanced but people don't like fighting him because he gets loads of damage. Well let me tell you a secret. Getting highest or second highest damage in a match does not equal winning. Brand still loses many games in which he does the most damage. Why? Because he does nothing else. Much more, is all in is not the greatest. He can poke and poke, but some champs have good sustain through minions or fighting, so brand can do enough damage to kill someone, but they have time to heal up much of it poke after poke. What's more is it only takes one blitz, thresh, or pyke hook, or alistar knockup to completely destroy brand. Honestly this post is shit-tier bad.

MorgManBasher2/1/2019, 10:04:30 PM9 votes

Low elo problems. Buy some boots and dodge pillar.

Death by Glamour2/1/2019, 5:00:54 PM5 votes

what actually annoys me it that a mage goes toplane (Viktor ) and is instantly nerfed while bot has to endure all the rejected midlaners for years at a time

Nea1042/1/2019, 9:19:09 PM5 votes

They buffed his passive (doubling it) ONE WHOLE year ago, and partially nerfed it only basically yesterday.

They don't want, and are not able, to make their own game any better.

Wolfalisk3182/1/2019, 7:00:51 PM4 votes

I think the biggest issue with Brand is that he's a "positive combo mage" in that he isn't punished for not comboing, he's only rewarded for doing so. For example, you lose damage trades against Brand from single abilities because of his passive. This is ridiculous but it is the reality of Brand.

SanKakU2/1/2019, 9:28:13 PM4 votes

item 3194 Psst, hey bro, I think you forgot that there's an item counter to Brand!

Dracocrash2/1/2019, 8:46:18 PM4 votes

I would be on board with a range nerf, force him to get closer to trade with enemies

Bisaknosp2/1/2019, 7:46:00 PM3 votes

i do think hes a bit too strong atm but you are constantly exaggerating if you want to make a more serious impression try staying near the truth more

The entire team2/1/2019, 5:46:25 PM3 votes

While I do agree, the nerfs you suggested I don’t agree. Replacing the max % damage with Stuns make it even worse to fight brand in a team fight. The only thing I could think of is reducing the size of his Blaze passive size, reducing the % damage and maybe upping his mana costs on his pokes.

Hypochondria92/1/2019, 10:13:53 PM3 votes

I've pushed back entire teams off turrets just by getting lucky bounces off his ultimate. It's straight up disgusting how much potential damage he can do.

If I had to vote to change Brand it would be to change his ult. Make it more consistent than it is now.

Seenan2/1/2019, 10:33:28 PM2 votes

Increase cast-time of his stun. As of currently, he can damn-near instantly use E->Q for a fast stun, for one. Maybe lower E range so he can't do that/has to hit his W from range.

Maybe even drastically, remove/lower his explosion part of his passive because that's how his damage really picks up as a support. Pillar -> E -> R, crazy amount of damage to the team in a teamfight.

It shouldn't be the case that support brand does more damage than your whole team (as they're building for damage).

Strawberrycocoa2/1/2019, 7:54:24 PM2 votes

Fixing brand's passive to be standard damage and not %HP based would probably help, so you have to build properly to get it useable.

Tanks have been fucked over enough by this point anyway, free %HP can stand to disappear from the game a bit.

3TWarrior2/2/2019, 5:05:29 AM2 votes

2500 hp, so he goes from 1 second...to 1.25 seconds to kill

he's not even the most popular or most powerful support

sure i'd want to play him, but I play most mages as support as funny thing, with how powerful assassins are and how vulnerable marksmen are...Mages do a better job supporting a lot of the time than in mid lane, especially when they are forced to, such as Malzahar and less severely: brand

Neptunia xoxo2/1/2019, 8:42:44 PM1 votes

Once hes actually seen outside of low elo then sure.