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is duoQ unhealthy for league?

sseltneler··19 votes·2,442 views

i want riot acknowledge that duoQ is complete BULLSHIT/unfair/unfun. it only allows for boosting and premades getting laughably easy wins, premades can troll a game and vote no all game if they wish while staying silent and reporting people that flamed them for trolling. what do soloQ get? nothing + a autofilled support. are there not other queues for premades or what? is this the reason we cant have soloQ? if thats the case i understand. its NOT fun getting victimized as a toplaner by a jungler+top premade. its NOT fun getting completely fucked by a duoQ braum+draven, its NOT fun slowly losing a game to a lulu+kog or twitch+janna, its NOT fun being a midlaner/jungler when the enemy mid+jungle are premade and heading botlane.

people who cant justify their own bullshit stay silent and thats exactly what riot are doing. they are hoping threads like these die off so that we eventualy forget. i understand that your not allowed to admit stuff on riot accounts, but i at least hope one of you rioters post on an anonymous account agreeing with how bullshit it is.

i dont care how frustrated and not very constructive this post sounds, i just want riot to admit that duoQ is BULLSHIT after all these years even if they dont implement soloQ. i dont hate riot, i love them overall. i just hate that they allow duoQ's and boosters to thrive, i know they ban boosters but they can fix that with soloQ aswell.

48 Comments

GarthBrooksXD10 votes

It pretty much is bullshit, but it would make the game less fun for many people if it were removed. So don't count on it.

Lsayu3 votes

With the new flex queue I just don't see how this can apply (I mean I can, and it won't be removed, but it's bullshit). If you want fun, go flex. If you want competitiveness, go solo.

Daddy Ants6 votes

No.

I shouldn't be forced into Normals If I want to play with a friend.

sseltneler3 votes

youve got RANKED flexq. but wait, you dont like it when your up against a 3/5 man premade do you? thats why you dont do it. you need an advantage over soloQ players in whats meant to be SOLOQ.

thats exactly how us soloQ players feel.

Disembark5 votes

You really wanna use Jagex as an example?

Adding micro transactions despite the outcry not to. Then releasing EOC even though the community HATED it.

They only admitted it was a mistake after they LOST OVER HALF THEIR PLAYERBASE.

The only reason OSRS was made was because their main game become pretty much unplayable.

DuoQ has pretty much ALWAYS existed, it’s not like Riot just added it. When Rioted added Dynanic Queue they also admitted it was a mistake, but at least they reverted it.

sseltneler1 votes

i know, they also said they wont bring back the wilderness and they did, they also made skills buyable with real money when real money is the reason we got a trade limit. they fucked up too much and went against what they said over time and lost the majority of its playerbase.

but i do respect that they admitted to their biggest mistake and gave us what we all loved 2-3 months later, riot on the other hand... they just let boosters and duoQ's thrive when they can just go premade in all other queue's with as many people as they want... there is no option for 10 soloQ players -_-

second thoughts, it is disgusting giving us what we wanted all along just to save their company. i only read quarter of ur message before replying. i removed the jagex part from my post now

KVbqbFsC8e4 votes

We all know how fun it is when there is a botlane duo vs an autofilled one.

sseltneler4 votes

i hope a rioter uses an anonymous account and agrees with my post. we know how they arent allowed to agree with posts like this on their riot accounts, infact they ignore it cause they cant justify their own bullshit ways.

JPLangley3 votes

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sseltneler1 votes

yep and thats why i said "people who cant justify their bullshit stay silent" cause its true. even if i did make a constructive post they still most likely wouldnt post. if i want to win ill just be part of the problem and fucking go duo bot with zero risk infinite reward champs, but this just aint enjoyable to me at all, and its even less fun going against it.

there are many queues to invite multiple friends, there isnt one to go with 10 soloQ players.

ªTeemo4 votes

There's no better feeling than playing solo and getting camped by the jungler who is premade with the enemy laner [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

OHminus2 votes

It's really fun when you're the jungler that camps the shit out of an enemy laner. When they tilt off the face of the planet its 10000x better.

The best part? "You're duo aren't you"

No I looked at your match history and you have a history of going 12/0 or 0/12.

ªTeemo2 votes

{quoted}

It's really fun when you're the jungler that camps the shit out of an enemy laner. When they tilt off the face of the planet its 10000x better.

The best part? "You're duo aren't you"

No I looked at your match history and you have a history of going 12/0 or 0/12.

Even better when I check and they really are duo

Hügö4 votes

Is this the same thing it was with dynamicQ? "Buuuh I can't climb cause the enemy has premades", and now after the remove of dynamicQ they still stuck in silver cause they just suck.

T4underbolt1 votes

Duoq boosting is a problem and it ruins matchmaking. So many people get legally boosted and then ruin games untill they fall to divisions they really belong to. Plus if duo is not boosting they most likely end up being toxic trolls who will go "ff 15" after 1 death.

Hügö1 votes

The only time I see realy boosted people is allways at the end of the season when everyone gets boosted to the desired division gold 5 or dia 5. And I see alot of solo players that or toxic and flame like theres no tomorrow.

ModWulf Helhammer4 votes

I knew it.

I fucking knew it.

The second they announced that dynamic queue was going away at the start of the season, I knew that the next thing rank stuck players would complain about was duo queue.

And it’s still as bullshit as them complaining that they were low ranked because of premades in dynamic queue.

Here’s a tip: if you think you deserve a higher rank, but you are consistently stagnating at a lower one, you are placed correctly.

SanKakU2 votes

It's not about rank, but about having fun. It's not fun being stuck with players that have their own agenda on your team.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Is that agenda winning the game?

Then you benefit by having two people being slightly more in sync with each other (although not every premade is going to use voice chat)

Is it anything else?

Then that sucks, and I'm sorry, and if they are actually not playing to win the game, then you can report them for that. But if they are just playing in a way that you don't like, then touch luck, there's not anything wrong with that.

SanKakU1 votes

Yeah, I don't immediately jump to any conclusions when I see groups of players in HotS, I just screenshot the loading screen and look at it at the end of the game in review. Ironically, in Dota 2, we only know which players were in which groups when the game ends. In LoL, we never know, just deduce and assume. Club tags can be an easy deduction tool, but that and the rest of the tools we have are not enough. We need Riot to add the feature IMO.

I have no problem with reporting people whether I think they are in a group or not. But for players not to know there is a group in their team is just silly. And it's not the players' at fault for not knowing which players are in which groups because Riot is the one not providing that information. It's a really simple addition to the game that they haven't seen fit to include even though other players usurp Riot's decision by choosing to play with people in the same club as them.

sseltneler1 votes

in season 4 i was D4 and master at the same time on 2 different accounts, ive peaked challenger, but when i made a new account and played ADC only on it recently im stuck in plat 2, its near impossible to gain elo unless you go duoQ with kog lulu twitch janna vayne. you literally have to hope ur entire team wins lane.

every single game my team has a soloQ and mayb even a autofilled bot, where the enemy more often then not have a duoQ bot. does this explain why i handicap my fucking teams and cant get out of plat2 on my new account? its supposed to be EASY overrating urself on new accounts with double promotes/high LP gains. but i find it HARDER then gaining +18 and gaining elo on my old diamond accounts!

i dont give a fuck about rank, premades just disgust me cause they determine who wins and they make the game not enjoyable unless they are on ur team and win.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

in season 4 i was D4 and master at the same time on 2 different accounts, ive peaked challenger

Care to give proof of those claims?

If you are actually worthy of being in challenger, then you wouldn't be stuck anywhere.

sseltneler1 votes

i do have proof but i want to keep my main account secret, i was only challenger on it for one day before my LP gains screwed up over night. generally i float around D3/1 by filling but on this fucking account i cant even get to D5 by queuing up as ADC cause i handicap my team by not having a duo bot but instead have a soloQ ADC and autofilled support vs duoQ ALOT.

ADC is my best role but i only win more then half when ardent bullshit is banned and the enemy arent duoQ, i cant tell the difference between high diamond and plat specificly at botlane.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

AKA, you don’t actually have proof.

Put your money where your mouth is, and show your hand.

If not, you’re just talk.

sseltneler1 votes

i do have proof, but just like many people we dont post on our main accounts when we are high elo, the same way riot dont post on their riot accounts for reasons...

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Except they do. They've got a big red name and fist logo

Surveil4 votes

Duo Q has never been unfair...

Bliñk3 votes

i agree duo q is total bullshit, u auto lose game vs any premade ,it's called " solo q" i dont know why u can duo in it

HalcyonDweller3 votes

Why do you assume that every duo queue is going to troll and silently report flamers?

I can assure you that this is not the case with every pair of players who queue together.

Edit:

_ And Riot stays silent on a lot of things on the boards. Your post is not some special case that is being ignored by itself._

Posting in such an inflammatory manner and literally flaming Riot over this situation is actually more likely to keep them from responding, because who ever wants to engage in conversation with someone who is already expressing hatred towards them?

If you want a Rioter response maybe try being less inflammatory first.

sseltneler1 votes

i know and i dont care, they wont reply anyway so its pointless acting nice. people only act nice when they get something out of it just like people stay silent when they cant justify their bullshit.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Riot probably won't see or read this post, so by claiming that "they will just stay silent because they can't justify stuff" you are falsely claiming that they actively saw your post and then chose not to respond as part of some cover-up policy.

You're manipulating the situation and using their lack of a response as evidence for you to push your own personal agenda even though there is no actual evidence to support it.

There are so many things wrong with that... I can't even begin to point them all out. So I'll just leave it at this:

You are being irrational and making false claims about Riot. You are doing so for the obvious purpose of damaging their reputation. It is clear that you are falsifying the evidence to suit your purposes, and that you are manipulating the context to make it seem like you are right (because of Riot's lack of response).

All of this reflects poorly on you, and you should stop before you embarrass yourself.

sseltneler1 votes

i say the same thing to alot of people, not just riot. its a fact, people that cant justify their own bullshit stay silent or they just make up lies. anyone with a brain can see through lies ;) people only act nice when they get something out of it, people ignore others in hopes they get bored and forget about it.

i aint acting nice cause i know i wont get a response, riot are ignoring everything cause they know the vast majority of people will forget.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

{quoted}

i say the same thing to alot of people, not just riot. its a fact, people that cant justify their own bullshit stay silent or they just make up lies. anyone with a brain can see through lies ;)

So you admit to manipulating circumstances and lying about other people's motives in order to ruin their reputations and make yourself appear correct?

Wow that's selfish and egotistical.

sseltneler1 votes

its not manipulating, but rather putting people on the spot. people that cant justify their own bullshit stay silent. riot's motives were to give us soloQ but they lied about that and kept us waiting for months and gave us flexQ instead.

now i want riot to justify their bullshit.

HalcyonDweller3 votes

You made an ultimatum when you have no authority to do so.

Riot's lack of response here is in no way any indication that they are intentionally remaining silent.

You can say that it is proof of that all day long, but saying so doesn't make it true.

sseltneler1 votes

companies only come to the forums when theyve got something to announce. they probably laugh at how people like me complain all while they profit from us cause they know we will continue to play their game, and if we quit its no big deal cause the game is so vast and new players join.

i wouldnt be suprised it they sit at a round table and laugh at us. actualy i might make a risitas video about it.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

{quoted}

companies only come to the forums when theyve got something to announce. they probably laugh at how people like me complain all while they profit from us cause they know we will continue to play their game, and if we quit its no big deal cause the game is so vast and new players join.

i wouldnt be suprised it they sit at a round table and laugh at us. actualy i might make a risitas video about how riot laugh at us.

When will you stop lying compulsively? You have zero evidence to suggest that your allegations are even remotely true.

Rioters are players themselves, when the game is un-fun they suffer as well. They have said repeatedly that many topics are hotly debated within the company. It is extremely unlikely that any of them would sit at a table and plot like villains laughing over suffering caused by their decisions.

sseltneler1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbppvPgQyII

this is how riot see their game. its actualy fucking laughable.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

I don't see how that has any relevance to your points. It's just a video promoting league of legends.

Fargo792 votes

I dont mind Duo Queues.. However maybe they should limit it to all ranked games except when someone is in a promo.. make the person earn those promos... I like the fact that they put a max ranked lvl of 1 medal league so booster cant stay at their diamond lvl mains and boost the bronze thru golds up as easy.. it still happens.. but u wont be able to stop that regardless... I have no issues with Auto Fill cause i play support usually anyways.. so i always get my roles... One thing id like to see changed is IF the other team has a queue dodger then we all keep our roles and our team.. If for whatever reason you dont like your players you dont need to accept the re queue prompt...

Mojihito6661 votes

I noticed 80% problems with solo Q Ranked matchmaking is with duo.

It is normal to get in your team gold 5 36% winrate renekton when you are plat 3.

Akaïsa1 votes

You say this, but there's ALWAYS that one player to say "Never won a game with a premade in my team". So I guess everyone has his own game experience ¯_(ツ)_/¯

FourVsFive1 votes

Why don't they just try it for one season where solo que is only solo? if yah want to play with friends then we got flex.

SanKakU1 votes

They know it's BS that's why when HotS lets players see in loading screen who is in which groups of players they choose not to since if they did, it would mean they would allow the non-detective players to be wiser about the effect the duo Q is having on game health.

RankOneUganda1 votes

duo q. aaah;. the cancer gatekeeping method of anything higher than D5.

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