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Way to go your S10 changes take everything we hate and make it even worse.

Free Roll·10/16/2019, 10:31:10 PM·91 votes·24,948 views

Because bot laners are not already free food for the solo laners who are usually 2 levels ahead now they get to be 3 levels ahead?

Cool nice alcove you added for "outplays" so the already heavily favored mobility champs who give up nothing for the mobility get even more ways to abuse their mobility.

MORE DAMAGE MORE DAMAGE MORE DAMAGE. Yes that is what we want.

Meanwhile balanced match making nothing. strategic gameplay nothing. Just making it easier for someone to mash 3 buttons and delete people. Yikes.

71 Comments

Magnesium1410/17/2019, 12:32:02 AM18 votes

Altho this a extremely bad patch the fact they removed item 3161 makes he unable to criticize riot properly.

LegendmakerGTX10/17/2019, 3:24:34 AM14 votes

I don't get how you say bot lane is free food when they are doing the eating. ADC out damage top/life steal/critical damage/attack speed/mobility where as top has to burst the bot lane down (ADC) to ensure they win.

I never understand why Bot laners are the one complaining when they are the one doing the most damage.The damage you complain about also transfer to ADC not just top.

Titanium7010/17/2019, 3:04:43 PM10 votes

You don't see all the effects of the changes, tho.

  • More EXP on mid? Yes, that means the solo-laners are overall stronger. But that also means the exact same roaming you complain about is MUCH more risky since you loose a ton of EXP on top of the already existing plates!

  • Reduced Bot EXP? Yes, that means the lane is more vulnerable. But guess what. It also means the lane (2 out of 5 players) deal noticeable LESS DMG! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT! Additionally Mage Supports need EXP to be usefull, so they will be alot less impactfull which once again results in LESS DMG due to Tank/Heal supports becaome more viable!

The alcove is beyond my grasp. I don't see what ever interesting gameplay they expect to result from them... Is there supposed to be something usefull? Or just a new path you can hide in? I don't get it, at all.

Jennifer42010/17/2019, 9:44:09 AM9 votes

riot: we heard you

me: okay... then why are you doing the exact opposite?

it begs for an answer: is riot doing this on purpose? saying they heard us and then do the exact opposite? why?

SpecterVonBaren10/17/2019, 10:19:33 AM9 votes

Anyone else initially read this as "$10 changes" and wonder what the heck the OP was talking about?

JackMcCarry10/17/2019, 10:05:57 AM8 votes

Conqueror being nerfed. Mountain drake gives resistences buffs instead of offensive objective destroying buffs (the most important part of the game). Klepto nerfed. Aftershcok changed. Spear of Shojin nerfed. Lethality item changes (more items, but each gives less lethality). Toplane scales better with XP, making it so a TP or a roam wont put you behind your jungler or bottom lane in terms of level. Herald spawns earlier and twice, further giving toplaners and objectives to contest with their jungler.

Elder, while yes, granting execute at 20% health, is also not doubling your previous drake stats, and the burn damage is lowered, tho i'll be honest - this is the most troubling change i've seen so far, and i'd rather it be changed - HOWEVER when you take it out of the vaccum, and realise that having an elder means one team has 4 drakes stacked AND took an elder, it's kinda put it in a different context, just like Baron buff, elder is a means to an end it's supposed to be a tool to break sieges and teamfights and an objective your team SHOULD be defending, just like your inhibitors and just like Baron.

There is a lot of good changes on paper here.

Nea10410/17/2019, 11:03:23 AM4 votes

That's exactly as for Season 8 ---> Season 9. Garbage into more garbage.

It couldn't be otherwise: that's what you get when the same incompetent people are allowed to keep failing in what they do, instead of being replaced.

Śhunpo10/17/2019, 9:44:31 AM3 votes

Because bot laners are not already free food for the solo laners who are usually 2 levels ahead now they get to be 3 levels ahead?

This is just simply not true, bot laners are actually VERY strong and impactful right now.

Cool nice alcove you added for "outplays" so the already heavily favored mobility champs who give up nothing for the mobility get even more ways to abuse their mobility.

It's actually worse for champs with a lot of mobility due to FOW.

Daddy Ants10/17/2019, 3:57:45 PM2 votes

There's absolutely no reason to be nerfing bot lane XP.

XJ9999999999999910/17/2019, 10:23:49 AM2 votes

and jungle gets screwed over more. wooo exciting

Shleelpboy10/17/2019, 8:01:30 PM2 votes

Maybe nerf TahmKench ??? I mean... please?

Imbetterthanmoe10/17/2019, 8:34:36 PM2 votes

OK guys chill out on flaming this patch, what you dont realize is that these changes are so huge they could completely change the meta as we know it. Just like how the double laner top switched to top jungle, the lanes might switch completely. One idea of what could happen is an adc mid with a mage bot and a bruiser top. Then the support would instead migrate to one of the jungle sides. We could see a double jungler meta happen which would increase the amount of invading that happens throughout the game.

mmoran555410/17/2019, 9:15:56 PM1 votes

I really enjoy playing in the bot lane. I do not feel like I am free food. I believe bot lane is a lot of fun and I play it very well as a support. I'm also honor level 5 so people often compliment me. Obviously if all the negative things in this forum were true, then I would hate the game and quit. I just think a lot of players are toxic and salty.

Mimr10/18/2019, 9:46:42 AM1 votes

You are aware Infernal Drake and Cloud drake do exactly the opposite from Earth and Ocean drake and benefit immobile champions the most by opening up the map and offering speed boosts respectively, right?

PinkSweetz10/19/2019, 1:36:39 PM1 votes

Why are they adding more damage, isn't there to much already? As a support do I have to change rolls?

ˉÐĘĄTH ŚQÜĄÐˉ 10/23/2019, 8:30:41 PM1 votes

I think you don't get it :) the XP will not only ensure that ADC and support are level 7 by the time jungler hits 8 and Mid and Top lane is level 11, so the second level of R, But also that many people that main support and ADCs will start playing MID and TOP again: D hence queue Time will go up and ect ect ect ... back to season 3 :) - we are going And by the way, that's like when TOP or MID are even But if they die a few times, the game is over for the BOT as well because there enemy Top or Mid Laner, it is not LVL 11 but LVL 13: ^ p That's 5 levels above BOT. But everything will show in time, Its not preseason yet and everything can change ... and who knows it might be even better Anyhows my 2 cents :) love u all :p WP Rito i love your GAME Waves :)-