Just Wondering about Nidalee human form Q...

Black Star 1299·3/22/2015, 11:20:44 PM·18 votes·1,748 views

Is there any particular reason she still needs that increased damage while it flies now? Isn't it just rewarding enough for her to hit someone afar so that she can gap close better? Being an assassin, does she really need that good and scary of poke? Her Q shouldn't be dealing the damage, her cougar form should be. I know its damage got reduced significantly, but I don't think we really need the damage increase anymore due to the power shift. No hate on Nidalee, just wondering.

28 Comments

Raptamei3/23/2015, 12:23:56 AM3 votes

B-b-but that awesome distance measuring tech!

The5lacker3/23/2015, 12:16:40 AM3 votes

The idea was that they didn't want Nid to have a nuke at close range.

To which everyone collectively responded "...And that's a problem because?"

I think they could keep the damage increase at range if they didn't make the damage increase ludicrous. She doesn't need +200% Damage. +100% would be perfectly adequate. That's still 300 (+80% AP) damage. That's a respectable number. That still hurts. It just doesn't insta-gib.

Neidox3/23/2015, 3:01:56 AM1 votes

If you do that then you'd have to increase the damage at closer lengths. So the further damage may be reduced, but the close damage would need to be increased. That's what compensation is.

MrBuffington3/23/2015, 3:36:39 AM1 votes

When she was first created, the idea was that Nidalee had to navigate between being a super long ranged champion and a melee champion in Cougar form, where it's more difficult to fully capitalize on the advantage of both forms in a short time frame just because of the range disparity (1500 range spear vs 125 range melee form + 375 range jump) and also having no CC to help her land follow up damage (ie. if you get hit with a Xerath stun, you're pretty much going to get hit with every one of his other spells).

The two forms played pretty separately before her rework, to which people complained about since she could just hurl spears from massive ranges and never put herself in danger, so they reworked her so that the two forms were more integrated and required her to go in on her targets, to which people complained about since it gave her high trading potential in top lane, so they nerfed her AD form and slightly buffed her AP form, and she was pretty under the radar for a while, people were actually praising her design, but then Riot gave her a random jungle buff and now we're here.

Mestm3/23/2015, 4:53:18 AM1 votes

Is the desing of the ability, riot wanted to make it unique, or give it something cool so they came with the idea of the travel distance, which is pretty cool in my opinion, the problem is that it got buffs in other parts of the kit and those kind of things and now is broken. Also the MAIN problem is the invisible spear bug

Phoenix Kotori 3/23/2015, 5:18:38 AM1 votes

Because it allows you to be encouraged to try to sniper and spear rather than just landing it point blank in the face if it had the same damage at all range.

As if the damage was equalized then point blank would be the same as max range, which simple encourages point blank shots rather than skill. Which would greatly enhance her melee range burst damage.

Conturbatio3/23/2015, 12:24:29 PM1 votes

No please don't buff her cougar form ever again, I really miss the old Nidalee, this one just needs a bushwhack to proc her retarded ms steroid and burst damage in cougar form, the old one was actually kill-able and had a balanced cougar form. + There was less complaining about the old Nidalee.

Saianna3/23/2015, 1:40:59 PM1 votes

I can dodge spears all day with 99% success, but what annoys me to the core is her cat from Q. She can deal with it 800 damage vs a tank that has tad less than 50% hp. Gerens ult looks totally lame compared to set of cat fangs :|

And it has low cooldown...

Acidic Puddle3/23/2015, 3:53:59 PM1 votes

She most definitely needs that mechanic, it is what makes her her....

3tyson3/22/2015, 11:24:28 PM1 votes

Take it away and she isnt scarry at all annymore shes fine now

Auryiel3/23/2015, 6:53:23 PM1 votes

Close range spears really deal no damage, though.

150 + 40% AP for a narrow single target skillshot is awful

If they removed the damage amp the base damage would need a pretty substantial buff

Plus, I think it's neat that Nid's spear deals more damage the longer it travels. Having poke is not only par of Nid's identity, it makes sense for a huntress who is all about stalking her prey and striking when the time is right. Remember, Nid is quite fragile herself and her way out of trouble once she goes in is not nearly as good as other assassins.

Now, is the damage amp too strong? Maybe. But removing it entirely would be a mistake. Maybe it could be changed to % current health, but then of course it would lead to the problem of her sniping tanks maybe a bit too hard.

Drukyul3/23/2015, 1:52:56 AM1 votes

I know its damage got reduced significantly

except that its rank 1 damage is actually higher than it used to be