Zoe Update

fair to nerf her Q? her Q was her whole damn kit lol

They intentionally over nerfed her.

They gutted her so they can look at ways to bring her up to an acceptable level.

I think it was fair to nerf her Q - the AOE is now pretty crap too but it seems fair

What isn't fair is how they also nerfed her E and her W as well All her spells are in the ground now... You can't even get a TP back to lane despite them solving her lane pressure by ruining her waveclear 😒

Now she has to land E if she wants to 1 shot, instead of just 1 shotting a squishy with nothing but a Q. Its fair and Justifiable

That's what happens when mob mentality influences games. She was doomed from her release to be either amazing or terrible. Her kit is inherently unfun to play against due to her power budget. If they take away power from her Q they need to shift it elsewhere, but where else can they put it? Her RNG w is super unfun to play against as well as her e. It's just one of those champions that will be super hard to keep balanced and viable.

I just played her aram vs tanks, I think I might have been the support?

She's meant to be a high crowd control and high damage champion.

She needs her AOE back against minions. Not against champs because it's supposed to be a skillshot so it should only really effect the champion hit.

She needs more damage for getting her E-Q-R-Q combo right. In return they should put longer cool downs on her E and R so that her enemy has a better chance to harass her if she misses them.

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Yeah so Zoe is now absolutely useless for everything since her Q now does about 0 fricken damage.

Book marked for math to show zoe mains they are wrong later.

You can only play Zoe as ad or support atm...

it's almost like she does the same damage as other champs now....wowee

Nice!

Some rioter saw these nerfs and played a game with Zoe testing the changes and said yeah this'll work. If someone sells you a vase then breaks it after you paid for it shouldn't you be given your money back? IE i want a refund for my skin. I have endured so many nerfs to so my favorite champs but this is the first time a nerf has made me genuinely regret spending money on the champ.

Well if we look at V. 8.3 everything about her was broken, Specially her Q and E combo, even without her E, was all about that Q and since V. 8.4 she just doesnt feel that same as before, like all that was before this patch was taken away

[sg-janna] Like I understand why everyone wanted to nerf on E and W, but why Q, was about all that Q, main damage abilty to deal damage was her Q, Everything was is that Q, and that nerf on her Q just sunk from the strongest Mid Laner to the weakest one.

[sg-soraka] I just hope Riot atleast, changes her Q back because without her Q, is just basically dead

She needs her passive to be applied to minions again, with her damage gutted she can't do anything in lane, she gets pushed by anything that has an aoe ability. The w and e nerfs are fine, now you have to be more careful how you use your e, it's more in line with how other champs use their cc ( for ex) instead of just spamming it off cd cause eventually its gonna hit something and reduce cd. The q/passive nerfs are overkill imo 20% is too much. I hit a swain 2 lvls behind me with only roa with a max range q+e and it didnt even do 75%. I had an item and a half on him it's not even funny. The passive should stay the same for champions but revert it for minions.

Yep because she should do it ONLY IF her target is asleep from her e.