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Kalista Oathsworn ability needs confirmation on recieving champion

Mercy86·Jan 30, 2015·6 votes·1,953 views

Rant Shortening:

I feel this ability allows someone else to forcibly control my character without the ability to say, no. Even if I do in lobby I am often completely disrespected and have this ability forced on me and have no ability to counter it except either stay in base, or completely avoid my lane.

I am not asking for a change in how this ability operates, or what it does. I am asking for the ability to decline being stunned against my will for 5 seconds, and yanked around the screen whenever someone I don't know feels like it. It is a very unsteady feeling for me to be controlled in such a manner like this that I don't even have the chance to dodge it. To me its 1000x worse then any skill in this game that grips. This will teleport you inside this person where you only have 1 option launch yourself somewhere. Unless that person dies before you can do it, then your surrounded by your enemies.

At the start of the game this ability is forced on anyone of kalista's choosing. and You have no way to say well NO. I am petitioning for a confirmation button in order to accept your game to be controlled by another person in this manner, as it violates the person who doesn't want this to happen to them.

34 Comments

ByrnesJan 30, 20154 votes

imo the real problem is that an ulti like this was OKAYED by the Riot team. How many times have we been told that particular interactions in the game couldn't exist due to this or that, which usually included "you can't make decisions for other people that can alter their control". Like, this entire mechanic is super toxic. You don't get to choose if you get ultied, you don't get to choose if you are chosen. imo they need to clean it up, go back to the drawing boards, and come back with something new.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20152 votes

Thank you, you get my point. Its completely unfair to the other champion that they do not have the ability to say No. Her grabbing me when I don't want her to is causing to many problems.

WoodakoodashoodaJan 30, 20154 votes

I'm still reading up on the new champions in LoL, but I came across Kalista's ultimate and I am absolutely appalled by it. It is a violation of the will of the individual player and it needs to be changed.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

Again thank you, the game play itself is brutal, I think it is really bothersome, that you can't even 'agree' to be oathsworn to her like that. Not only that during the process of it your stunned for 5 seconds and then drop dead before being brought back to life. Then at another players will whipped around w/e they want to and can physically carry you around for several seconds where your only movement is to be thrown.

Deep Terror NamiJan 30, 20153 votes

Your having a problem with deciding where to Ult to is not a problem with Kalista at all, it's an issue with your own decision making.

And binding the support is usually the best option even if they are a squishy back liner, because Kalista's bonus % damage can only proc with the Oathsworn's attacks, and the Ult pushes oathsworn ranged champions back away from the impact point further than a melee one.

If you think it's not safe to engage, then launch yourself the other way. But don't blame the Kalista for how you choose, and ignore the fact that she can save you with the Ult too.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

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Deep Terror NamiJan 30, 20151 votes

More than a lane long? You need to play a little Kalista because you clearly don't know anything of what you're talking about.

GreedlesJan 30, 20152 votes

she meant wide, i'm sure. a bad kalista can turn a 5v5 into a 4v6 by pulling her oathsworn into a stupid situation that she may have already escaped from. It invalidates movement abilities like flash in the event kalista thinks "i'll save you durp face here" after you already flashed to safety. However, this ult makes kalista strong in any lane as long as she doesn't oathswear the support (unless they're a tank) as she could set up for amazing ganks in a similar manner to thresh

Deep Terror NamiJan 30, 20151 votes

You should watch the Korean League Championship going on right now if you want to learn a little something about Kalista.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20152 votes

you honestly missed the point read byrens's remark, he got it. Its not about her ult being bad its the fact that i have no say in what happens to me WHEN she decides to grab me i'm FORCED to make a move based on when she wants me to, or if she's killed then i land right on top of her in the middle of a bunch of enemies.

Deep Terror NamiJan 30, 20152 votes

I didn't miss your point. Your point is a non-issue.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

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Deep Terror NamiJan 30, 20151 votes

People who get mad over their own failures aren't worth talking to. I won't be reading any more salty rants, so be warned you'll only be raging to yourself.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

funny more people are commenting, but nice ragequit. :)

GreedlesJan 30, 20154 votes

I've played while oathsworn with a Kalista in the same room as me, even saying "ok grab me now." still gave nearly the same unsteady feeling as being picked up by someone irl and having to make an extra split second decision that you may not be used to. there needs to be a way to accept, like thresh's lantern. Kalista's oath looks like it can be picked up by anyone on the team, and appears interactable like thresh's lantern or a dominion turret but it's forced on whoever kalista decides. It is a nice ult but needs way more communication than pinging considering typing in combat is suicide.

Penguin EclipseJan 30, 20152 votes

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Your having a problem with deciding where to Ult to is not a problem with Kalista at all, it's an issue with your own decision making.

And binding the support is usually the best option even if they are a squishy back liner, because Kalista's bonus % damage can only proc with the Oathsworn's attacks, and the Ult pushes oathsworn ranged champions back away from the impact point further than a melee one.

If you think it's not safe to engage, then launch yourself the other way. But don't blame the Kalista for how you choose, and ignore the fact that she can save you with the Ult too.

Someone's never had a troll Kalista on their team. The fact that Kalista can forcibly bond to a squishy AP mid and purposely screw over their combos at will is ridiculous.

RaptameiJan 30, 20152 votes

Kalista item 3599 Lulu Lulu "Nope"

Kalista item 3599 Rammus Rammus "Nuh-uh"

Kalista item 3599 Syndra ...? Syndra "Fuck off"

Kalista ... item 3070

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

lol, your funny.

GreedlesJan 30, 20151 votes

junglers are the only people worth throwing from what I've seen

SaixosJan 30, 20151 votes

As a kalista player, I actually find it more effective to bind to a support such as zyra. The w passive damage is so much more useful than the ult is as an engage tool, and in order to engage properly with it kalista sometimes needs to put herself into a dangerous location. I personally use the ult as more of an escape tool for my support - some supports such as leona tend to dive into the enemy team a lot, but then have no way of getting out other than walking out. My ult can act as a get out of jail free card. This is especially true with ranged supports with no escape tool.

While ulting someone and having themselves throw themselves into the enemy team can be a bit of a panic state, I've never EVER had ANYONE complain about me ulting them out of a situation where they may have died otherwise. It's kinda like using your heal to save your support, except 10x as effective.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

imagion a rework of her ult, where her ability for laning is any nearby player thus making her more viable as a team player, this could be swapped in with the passive, allowing her to pick smarter targets for her Throw that wants it. This way you don't lose laning ability, but you can still say no don't throw me around.

I do agree there are good kalista players, there's no doubt about it, I also believe her kit is amazing, I just think it needs a little tweaking to permit someone to say no don't throw me around, please don't grab and carry me and not be forced into that situation, at that players whim.

The problem is there are a lot of bad kalista players who use her ult for trolling, thus making the throw 100x more counterproductive. Having it on someone who wants it would be more inclined to be ready to handle that type of thing.

I am not asking for a complete change, since you don't have any say over weither or not she chooses you, that needs to be fixed. I've told many kalista's not to put it on me in lobby when they selected her. IT was ignored violating my own right to say no.

Is it wrong to say no? Absolutely not, its every individual's right to say no. Now I have no clue if it is a bug or not, but you do not need to click the spear she drops on the ground in order to accept it. If she targets you prior to pressing 7 it automatically binds to w/e she targets, the throw is purely animation.

As someone else pointed out the reason why they made it a no choice skill is because a lot of people did not like the fact they couldn't say no don't do that and have their voice be respected. So they made it automatic, to her choosing which is completely unfair to the other players who lane with her.

I am not saying every player doesn't want it, I am saying that there are players that do not feel comfortable being carried around like someone's little toy, and being forced to make a move they didn't want. This wish needs to be respected, and sadly its not. That is why I opened this forum. As long as people can control you, move you around in such a manner and forcing you to act on 'their' will instead of your own then there will always be lots of people that do this just to troll, this is a straight up troll ability if you can not decline her ult(grab and throw only).

If you accept the ult at the beginning of the game, then you don't need to worry about confirming it. I am just asking for the ability to deny her ult on you, and to rework her 'double damage on targets that are hit by both players' to be well a passive, it shouldn't be mixed in with her spear/binding. Her ult should just be a throw from whoever she binds. Then allowing someone to say no doesn't effect kalista's gameplay at all, because if her 2nd half is set as a passive for nearest player in x range she looses nothing but gains better judgement on who to throw bettering her kit overall, while still respecting the persons right to say NO.

DrCyanideJan 30, 20151 votes

Yasuo loves being thrown.

Yasuo - You mean I just have to accept this item 3599 and I can use my ult when I chose? Kalista - More or less. item 3070 Yasuo - I've never been so happy in my life!

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

I don't want a change, i want a confirmation at least when she does the oathsworn ability, you should be able to click no, yes I get it is an item in her inventory, but that should be discussed in the lobby, hey im using kalista i need one of you guys to pick up my spear. She should not be allowed to have forced control over anyone without saying at the start of the game hey its okay.

GreedlesJan 30, 20151 votes

"H-hey... it's um.... my first time being with a Kalista. Will you be gentle with me?"

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

She left you for dead, do you think she will?

GreedlesJan 30, 20151 votes

B-but my body isn't ready to be used in such a manner... I'm just Lulu Nami Zyra Sona Soraka and we're pinned under tower cause they're out poking us. If I use your ult as a retreat, you'll get mad, if I dive into the blender... they get free feed.

NoMonkuJan 30, 20151 votes

I guess your complaint is warranted, but it kind of ruins her whole kit if you actually have to click a "confirmation" button whenever she uses her ultimate on you. That time would be enough to actually kill you or her because you had to click this "confirmation" button. It ruins the flow of the game tying you down with something you don't really need. The best you can hope for is to hope your Kalista is good enough to know when/how to use her ability so you aren't screwed over by it and/or it is wasted. If you REALLY hate it so much, then just don't play support or a role/champion where she will soul bind you, since that is your best bet. I highly doubt there will be a confirmation button feature ever added and I don't think there should be one.

Mercy86Jan 30, 20151 votes

It doesn't need to be every time she uses it, only at the start of the game she should request permission to for a future time. That doesn't ruin her kit, but allows someone to say NO I don't want to, right now she has the ability to oathsworn anyone she feels like it at the start of the game. Which is completely wrong, she should ask that person first, but since most people disrespect when a player says straight up in the lobby hey don't oathsworn me, its a true violation when they actually go ahead and do it anyway, some people might respect that, but if your laning with her chances are she won't.

Her ult could easily be changed to allow her to get the benefits by being near a player and attacking the same target, and having her 'ult' be the throw that people agree to at the start of the game.

Mercy86Jan 31, 20151 votes

Doesn't need to be every throw, just to accept her ult (throw only) at the start of the game, then never need to worry about it. While still respecting the right for a person to decline. For those that use her realize she has an item in her inventory that permits the binding for throwing and her passive on her W. If they changed it so her link was a nearby player passive it wouldn't hurt her at all, but there NEEDS to be confirmation at the start of the game that allows you to say "no I don't want to ever be picked up by you." It would not hurt her, all they need to do is use that 'supposibly' clickable spear she can throw down to accept the confirmation. Which was origionally how kalista was intended to be, but was changed because people didn't like her ult( grab&throw) violating everyone's right to decline the bind.

If she's not bound it does hurt her ability that is why the 2nd half of that needs to be adjusted as a passive, while allowing someone to accept the grab and throw as a second all together ability leaving it as her ult.

CenturosJan 30, 20151 votes

Kalista Lol, u mad mate Kalista maby u want... REVENGE??? summoner 3 What? No, get away from me! Kalista cmon, itll be fun No, stop, what are you doi-AAAUGH summoner 7 You stabbed me! What is WRONG with you? Kalista good, now we can has revenge. come along slave

BastionKrossJan 30, 20151 votes

The horror stories I have of being (or witnessing someone else) be that Oathsworn. Malzahar Warwick getting pulled out of their ults, Darius getting ulted right before a dunk so the Kali player can send an auto and get the kill instead, Soraka getting flamed for not sending her squishy, goat body toward the opponents. There was even a whole thread about a support Veigar who absolutely refused to be turned into a projectile.

I hear back when Kali was still on the PBE, you actually could refuse to be her Oathsworn. I believe that was taken away because an alarming amount of players were refusing, and Kali effectively had no ult. After seeing what I've seen, I don't blame the players that refused. Don't get me wrong though, if you have some sort of voice chat with your Oathsworn the ability is one of the strongest in game. But in soloQ? It's trolly as hell. If I had the choice, I'd never be bound to a player I couldn't voice chat with.

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