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Season 9 -- Does Elo Hell Actually Exist (in S9)

Troll to Untilt··3 votes·1,055 views

I always told people that elo hell is a myth. If you say you are stuck in elo hell, you are at the elo you deserve to be.

So this this in mind, I made a new account (not this one - this is for an experiment ill reveal at the end of this season) and attempted to climb to diamond 4 like Ive done for 3 years now. All was going well, I got my flex adventure out the way first as many of you know its a piece of piss. I mainly used AP Malphite to get to diamond 4 in about 35 ish games. I began to think this would be over quickly as my placement games put me in plat 4.

Fast forward 80 games. I am 0 LP plat 4. It seems this season something has changed. The calibre of player is significantly varied from game to game. There is ALWAYS someone on your team that you can see is genuinely considerably worse than you, and everyone in the game. Now I know what people are going to say, because I was one of them. "If you are much better then you can carry" and for the most part you are correct...except you are not. For some reason, I cannot quite tell you why as I dont know myself, however I have deduced three possible explanations.

1 - People are boosted more -- With the inherent problem of Solo / Duo comes friends who want to play ranked together who would otherwise be separated by several ranks. I don't believe many players pay for boosts. What I mean by this is that for example Jimmy, a gold 1 player wants to play with his mate Sam the Silver 4 player. Well They can do so, and Sam will likely gain free LP from this transaction. Solution to #1 - Remove the duo aspect. It brings so many unfair advantages which I have not even touched on here.

2 - The system for punishing players does not work -- No I'm not talking about toxic players, frankly I do not care if someone is toxic as there is a way to completely stop that with the mute button. I am talking about those players who are in games 0/6 rage splitting with 20 cs. The player that AFK's after one death. The player that counter jungles while your base is being opened. These players face NO punishment what so ever -- in fact I have legitimate proof of this (stay tuned). Again there is a solution to this, banning players who perform in such behaviours. As of right now ONLY players who type in game will get punished, and more often than not although I do not agree with being toxic, they player is usually right to be annoyed. Solution to #2 - complete overhaul of punishment systems.

3 - Autofill. - This problem is my most hated problem of all. The autofill. Not only can you be put against 2 teams of 2 on the enemy side in a SOLO ranked game, you will most likely have 1 or 2 members on your team NOT playing a role they signed up for. I don't feel like I need to explain why this system is completely ridiculous. Solution to #3 - Remove autofill or have an option to only play with player of selected roles (even if this comes at increased que times).

Now I do not know if I am the only one who genuinely feels hard stuck this season. I do not mean to criticise my team mates in plat 4 however I know I am better than them, yet feel helpless at the same time. What are you thoughts on this? Is Riot really looking to improve their gaming experience? As for me I have always enjoyed LoL whether winning or losing, however this year I have almost found myself uninstalling the game. The enjoyment really is lacking, instead I feel frustrated at the state of gameplay and would be surprised if no-one else feels this way.

12 Comments

BLACK REALM GOD3 votes

elo hell is a myth. look at me? i'm iron. have been for years. have been told for years that it's because i'm bad. now suddenly because it's affecting you you want to jump ship and say that elo hell is a thing? no. elo hell is not a thing. accept the fact that you're not as good as you were and that's why you can't climb.

you want to climb? then get good.

WyvernEgg2 votes

[{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=huaJeGHy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-10-24T15:58:24.835+0000)

elo hell is a myth. look at me? i'm iron. have been for years. have been told for years that it's because i'm bad. now suddenly because it's affecting you you want to jump ship and say that elo hell is a thing? no. elo hell is not a thing. accept the fact that you're not as good as you were and that's why you can't climb.

you want to climb? then get good.

You've been iron for years? I don't think it's existed that long.

Troll to Untilt1 votes

You have completely missed the point of my post. Either you haven't read it or haven't understood it.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Troll to Untilt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=huaJeGHy,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-10-24T18:36:28.534+0000)

You have completely missed the point of my post. Either you haven't read it or haven't understood it.

no. i haven't missed anything. you just posted 4 replies attacking your commenters. congrats. now the people that might have cared what you have to say? they dont. you have no clue how to form an argument nor do you know how to defend it.

read the entire post. your premise has not 1 shred of evidence to back it. NOT ONE. and what's more you're taking the stance of "it affected me so it must be real" which makes you the biggest hypocrite possible.

the fact that you go from "it happened to me so it must be" to "YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME" is extremely childish and weakens your point so much that I'd be surprised if you weren't just trolling for upvotes and spotlight.

Eedat3 votes

"Why yes, I am posting on a low silver 200+ matches account, but I'm diamond on my other account. ***Trust me. ***"

Troll to Untilt1 votes

Ah the person that didnt read my statement, this account is proving a point of mine.

Eedat2 votes

No I read it. The part where you said "this account is an experiment blah blah" but in reality that is what's known as a convincing statement. A statement that contains no evidence or point besides to insists on credibility. Very, very typical of someone who is lying.

Troll to Untilt1 votes

So you read that entire post and your reaction is of a statement of little relevance. I really did think the LoL community was slightly more intelligent that this.

Kai Guy1 votes

The intelligent members of the lol community require proof. Your requiring folks to believe in 2 different accounts. Your Diamond main, your alt that's in elo hell. Neither of which is provided in this thread. Bud, It is very simple to log in and post on said account.

Subdue1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Troll to Untilt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=huaJeGHy,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2019-10-24T18:53:33.681+0000)

So you read that entire post and your reaction is of a statement of little relevance. I really did think the LoL community was slightly more intelligent that this.

If someone claims they've performed an experiment to reach a certain conclusion which does not align with the generally accepted truth, it's only natural to ask for proof.

Eedat1 votes

Wow requiring evidence suddenly means people are not intelligent. You're right.

"I went out of my way to post on an account that gives zero evidence of my claim and contradicts the rank I claim to be but trust me anyway" from an internet stranger is a far better explanation than actual evidence.

You are very intelligent.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

a few points:

1 - People are boosted more -- With the inherent problem of Solo / Duo comes friends who want to play ranked together who would otherwise be separated by several ranks. I don't believe many players pay for boosts. What I mean by this is that for example Jimmy, a gold 1 player wants to play with his mate Sam the Silver 4 player. Well They can do so, and Sam will likely gain free LP from this transaction. Solution to #1 - Remove the duo aspect. It brings so many unfair advantages which I have not even touched on here.

so is sam truly even being boosted? in fact this one point kind of directly contradicts your final claim, because this is more or less willfully admitting that jimmy is in fact better then sam, but can carry them for free LP anyway. if this is true, then how can people you're "so much better then" be holding you back to that extent? if jimmy can do it like in your analogy why cant anyone else?

this also assumes sam is playing against low gold to mid silver players regularly, which leaves three possible scenarios for sam:

  • if hes feeding, then jimmy is still managing to carry him anyway. this, you could argue he's being boosted of course. but this means jimmy regardless of a guaranteed feeding teammate, can carry him anyway. its a guaranteed dead weight, unlike soloqueue.

  • if hes not feeding, hes proven hes at least, on par with his competition and thus deserves to climb just a little further and flatten out his elo anyway.

  • if hes getting fed, hes consistently better then those players hes matched vs, and thus deserves to climb anyway, regardless of if jimmy gets fed or not.

that's why in a sense, its not really being boosted unless there is a serious skill discrepancy from either of them, so regardless if he's in a duo its not even marginally enough of an advantage to claim that his team is holding him back. therefore, how come jimmy can carry his feeder(s) regardless?

2 - The system for punishing players does not work -- No I'm not talking about toxic players, frankly I do not care if someone is toxic as there is a way to completely stop that with the mute button. I am talking about those players who are in games 0/6 rage splitting with 20 cs. The player that AFK's after one death. The player that counter jungles while your base is being opened. These players face NO punishment what so ever -- in fact I have legitimate proof of this (stay tuned). Again there is a solution to this, banning players who perform in such behaviours. As of right now ONLY players who type in game will get punished, and more often than not although I do not agree with being toxic, they player is usually right to be annoyed. Solution to #2 - complete overhaul of punishment systems.

this is flat out false, trolling is in fact a bannable. just take a look through the PB board, you'll find inters as well as chat based punishments. hell if this were true the whole nubrac fiasco wouldnt exist.

3 - Autofill. - This problem is my most hated problem of all. The autofill. Not only can you be put against 2 teams of 2 on the enemy side in a SOLO ranked game, you will most likely have 1 or 2 members on your team NOT playing a role they signed up for. I don't feel like I need to explain why this system is completely ridiculous. Solution to #3 - Remove autofill or have an option to only play with player of selected roles (even if this comes at increased que times).

they tried this, people especially in high diamond ended up with 45+ minuet queue times. besides for every time you arent auto filled, thats 5 chances on the enemy team to be autofilled, but 4 for yours, reduced by everyone on your team not autofilled.

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