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Varus needs a rework or adjustments to go bot lane.

Báng·8/3/2015, 11:25:57 AM·6 votes·2,139 views

So, Varus is great as a mid caster- being that he can build super slow and be relevant with just a tear and CDR. But in the bot lane... well... You know how that goes.

We need to de-Ashe the Varus. Ashe use to have a toggle slow on her Q- making her abilities limited to just W. This was unsuited for her as an adc as it only provided utility. Varus has a different problem... His mana consumption for trades is INSANE. A tear is MANDATORY.

COST: 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90 MANA

I got a fix to this pretty simply...

RANGE: 925 - 1625

Make the mana cost scale with the length it is held and adjust the cost.

Cost 35-60, 40-65, 45-70, 50-75, 55-80

This makes him able to close encounter trade in bot lane without going oom after 2 engages.

Let's put this in perspective to other level 6 adcs using their entire combo

Varus: 260 mana (3 Spells) (335-395 dmg)(2 seconds, 167-200 dps) Graves: 290 mana (4 Spells + Mobility) (430 dmg)(0.75 seconds, 573 dps) Ezreal: 274 mana (4 Spells + Mobility) (570 dmg)(1.25 seconds, 456 dps) Corki: 250 mana (4 spells + Mobility) (510 dmg)(2 seconds, 255 dps) Tristana: 240 mana (4 spells + Mobility) (578 dmg)(1 seconds, 578 dps)

Anyone else see a problem with this?

Let's compare the poke

Varus Q: 80 Mana 83-180 Damage (83-90 dps)(0-2 second charge) Graves Q: 80 Mana 120-240 Damage (120-240 dps) Corki Q: 80 Mana 180 Damage (180 dps) MF Q: 49 Mana 50-150 Damage (50-150 dps)

Sure, nitpick the 'math' it's probably poorly suggested. Bad comparisons or whatever you want to call it... But, when is the last time you saw a varus bot lane. When is the last time you have seen a graves or corki? Last game?... Yeeeeeah... The thing about people playing this game- is that they play things that are good or acceptable.

6 Comments

RexZor8/3/2015, 11:30:48 AM2 votes

I agree

AstartesHoodclaw8/3/2015, 12:16:01 PM1 votes

As a Varus ADC main I just have to inform you that the only thing that Varus needs to do exactly what you want him to is get a Manamune. It gives you a decent mana pool and enough damage. This post means that you tried to play him like a regular ADC and that is not how he is meant to be played.

A Miss Fortune8/3/2015, 1:16:35 PM1 votes

Varus's issue is that he's gimped.

His Q, Piercing Arrow, is pretty much the only actual strong ability in his kit aside from maybe his ultimate. It is a high damage, high range, low cooldown arrow that can hit the enemy front line and back line simultaneously. It's however his identity and It's a huge part of his theme, so if they nerfed it or just removed it and buffed other abilities, he wouldn't feel the same and Riot will always hold onto a champion's theme regardless of the cost (Kassadin for example, they'll buff and nerf anything as long as he can keep his ultimate).

None of Varus's abilities are necessarily unuseable, his W is pretty good if used properly, and his E gives him pretty good utility with his passive being great if the Varus is doing well but none of them in particular are as strong as his arrow.

Sire Hippington8/3/2015, 1:49:30 PM1 votes

i have no problem with adc-varus bot. Essence-rever rush worked pretty well for me so far(still miss the good old times of manamanipulator though)

and yeah nitpick the 'math' is a bad idea, you didn't figure in range, cc or cd, and it seems like you ignored the W procs for his combo, and you left out the total-ad ratio on his Q, which means it will atleast deal 147-282damage from only base-ad. And what are the dps values are about? Thats certainly not the dps of the skills, nor of the aas, it seems like you used damage/casttime, which is not dps, dps would be damage/cooldown on skills and damage*as(if we ignore crit) for AAs. I also honestly have more manaproblems with graves in lane than with varus...