Let's Talk Summoner Spells Vol. 1

Smitemuffin··1 votes·706 views

I've noticed over time that several summoner spells are (and some always have been) in a pretty terrible place. And I mean universally so, not just in regard to their use. Today, my target is Cleanse summoner 1

Let's face it - this is nothing more than item 3140 QSS Lite. For sacrificing a summoner slot, you get a pale imitation of an item effect that costs, after the value of it's accompanying MR is removed, a whopping 650 gold. But here's the problem:

  1. Cleanse has 2.3 TIMES the cooldown of QSS

  2. It can't be used for as many types of crowd control - Cleanse can't be activated while suppressed (but QSS can)

  3. It can't drop a Chum the Waters to the ground (but, again, QSS does)

  4. The semi-recently added CC reduction is basically useless in the niche that Cleanse's inferiorities to Quicksilver Sash have forced it into

Let's elaborate on #4 here: Cleanse is almost exclusively for Mid-lane AP mages - particularly sustained DPS ones such as Azir , Cassiopeia and Viktor . They're relatively immobile and rely heavily on freedom to prevent being bursted. Even a 0.75-second stun is a death sentence to champions like these. Because of this, it's additional CC reduction doesn't mean anything: a shorter stun is still a stun, a shorter slow is still a slow and both mean you're still dead. This has become even more apparent now that some professionals are buying QSS on mages like Viktor and Cass over taking Cleanse. There's no reason not to do it against CC-heavy comps (especially since most heavy cc comes from magic-dealing sources).

Proposed Solution: Cleanse will never really be good alongside a better item effect with under half the cooldown, so its effect needs to be unique. I suggest specializing it as a niche spell for mages by adding the effect of a cc-preventing bubble if used before a crowd control effect strikes - including displacements and suppression - when used ONLY before the effect. If timed to a flash by Malzahar or Warwick , it provides counterplay to the I-Push-One-Button-For-Kill mechanic, but can be outplayed by being faster than, baiting out or waiting out the bubble. This improvement would be great on mages in particular because it would also allow them a chance to preserve their channeled abilities.

Besides, you KNOW you wanna see Cleanse/TP top laners to prevent jerk Lulu tops from stopping their TP channels by squirrelification...

11 Comments

ZerglingOne2 votes

I remember they were playing around with a minor aoe knockback if you cleansed a CC, but that got scrapped. Cleanse should definitely be the go-to anti-cc pick up. Even more than Qss.

A lot of summoner spells are basically the best at what they do. Flash is the fastest blink because 0 cast time, ignite is by far the best grievous wound effect, ghost is a top tier move speed buff, etc.

I would say whatever type of CC you remove cannot affect you again for 2-4 seconds, but only affects the strongest CC involved. Say if you're slowed and stunned simultaneously, you cleanse both, but only stuns are affected in the immunity stage.

It could therefore be used to stop permaslow from Ashe. It would be much more useful against teams stacking a particular type of CC like high taunt teams or high root teams. Suppression would now be removed, but would also open you up to all other forms of CC and it would be powerful in this aspect.

Just giving you some encouragement.

canpan141 votes

But you have cleanse with you all the time, it doesn't take up an item slot, and you dont have to pay gold for it. I think it is still on the weaker side of things.

Also if you tp, cleanse wont save you if lulu tries to interrupt it.

Smitemuffin1 votes

Yes, but you have two summoner slots and 6 item slots. QSS even gives stats as an item almost universally beneficial (save for all AD teams).

And to clarify, my point on teleporting was in regard to the suggestion of a CC-preventing bubble. That would save the tp, much like if a Morgana shieled you beforehand

canpan141 votes

Oh got it. Didn't know you were saying if it was that type of cleanse. To be clear I do agree it needs a little bump. But I think they want to keep it situation.

epicbubble71 votes

than it becomes aitem 3137

canpan141 votes

That just works as a qss though. Doesn't give the 'bubble' effect he is talking about.

epicbubble71 votes

oh

epicbubble71 votes

item 3137 is worse debuf wise then item 3140 ?summoner 1 just sux like Lux jk shes godlike

canpan141 votes

Those two items have the same active. Doesn't work any differently.

Smitemuffin1 votes

Hm....I didn't realize on my phone that this posted via my EUW smurf account...huh.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

merge cleanse and barrier

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