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Magic penetration item deficiency

vladusgenius··0 votes·799 views

Lets just compare the number of items there is for both MR and Mpen with numbers of Armor and Apen items(summoners rift only):

MR:

Tank:item 3193 item 3194 item 3001 item 3065 item 3512 AD:item 3156 item 3139 AP:item 3102 Supp:item 3190 item 3050 item 3222 item 3174 +item 3111 item 3091

Armor:

Tank:item 3742 item 3143 item 3075 item 3068 item 3512 item 3110 item 3025 item 3800 item 3056 item 3193 AD:item 3026 AP:item 3157 Supp:item 3050 item 3190 item 3109 +item 3047

MPEN:

Flat:item 3020 item 3165 %:item 3135

APEN: Flat: item 3142 item 3147 item 3814 %:item 3033 item 3036 +item 3071

So with 14 MR and 16 Armor items one would think there would be around the same amount of Mpen and Apen items...but one would be wrong. There is only 3 Mpen items of which one is the boots and there is 6 Apen items. While you could see most ads,fighters and assassins building these Apen items conditionally since each one provides unique advantage over the other. almost every mage goes into a build of: mana item > morello/defensive item> the one not picked previously > rabadon/void staff> the one not picked previously- adding boots along the way; with the exception of the tanky mages going into the dps line of lyandry,rylai etc. but even those would get morello and sorc shoes in a lot of the cases so...

Why are these items so limited to a point they stand in the way of any build creation which doesn't involve them? Also...Is it fair for most AD champions to have the choice of modifying their builds according to what fits the best, while AP champions are left with only one option if need arises?

6 Comments

Arcade Lulu1 votes

I mean, it's probably because you can easily get like 800 Ap and a normal squishy has max 100 Mr

vladusgenius1 votes

True,but there is even only one % pen item as well, and there are 2 % armor pen items which can be bought conditionally,and also doesn't explain why are boots one of the magic pen items instead of having a proper item for it

Hammermancer1 votes

are you serious? Triple pen builds are super dominant in the mage scene because of how brutal they are in effectively dealing true damage

vladusgenius1 votes

More Mpen items won't really change this much if you think about it, it would just add ways to balance stuff out easier. As a mage it is a requirement to have first item be mana item,as a 4th-5th item it is always more effective to build rabadons since at that point it gives around 200-300 ap which usually. So besides the usual 2 item+boots you can get there is one open item slot you could put another pen item in, but this would mean you can't buy any defensive or champ synergy items you might need. Might work on xerath or some other champion with insane range, but full penetration builds wouldn't pop up unless the numbers were through the roof or something insane like it.

The thigh guy1 votes

40% mr pen. Nothing more needs to be said.

Penetration and shred is too high on both ends of the spectrum tho.

vladusgenius1 votes

It's because defenses are too high to deal with in any way but penetration. As for flat pen it really is not that effective, just getting item 1033 /item 1029 gives more defenses than item 3020 /item 3134, which are the cheapest respective flat pen items, provide flat pen

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