Veigar Nerfs

PIusxUItra·2/26/2015, 10:03:37 PM·27 votes·2,352 views

Hello.

I would like to talk about the changes done to Veigar in Patch 5.4 and how it is a bad decision by Riot. So first off, why Veigar? I haven't watched too many matches on the LCS recently but I did watch one which Veigar was banned and his ban and pick rate were really low, so why all of the sudden focus on him?

I mean, what was th problem? That he can 100-0 another AP champ? So can many other champs. I mean Zed has been a pick in the LCS since he came out and he can also 100-0 someone without the need of even a stun like Veigar. I understand sometimes he doesn't even need the stun, but lowered Zed's attack speed? Thats it? I don't think that you were even trying to nerf him.

Now his stun. Again I still don't know why you would target Veigar as he has literally been this way since he came out. I really hope it's not because some kids started getting angry at him killing them. I understand you gotta make people happy, but there is a line. With this .75 second delay the stun has turned into a safe zone, or a containment zone. Either you stay inside safe, or you let the team know they will be contained in your stun.

Now, even after it is used, if any of them has a jump/blink, let's say like...Talon for example, which because of the nerf to Veigar , Talon dominates him even harder than before. Like literally no sweat. He can just jump out, kill you in like 4 seconds and that's it. You can stay back, yes, but after his stun is used he doesnt have anything else. You see, he only has one cc and to me, now it's not even a cc, its just a field that people will not touch.

Riot, you should really target other champs. If you do wanna promote healthy gameplay, what would have been healthy for my enemy team is to switch his mid and top, knowing that I'm a Veigar. If they don't do it, it's not my problem. Why rage about it when you know what you were up against?

I just really think that Veigar was a strong champion that he could 1v1 most AP champs, and have a hard time with almost all melee champs and now, I feel like I am playing the weakest character in the game. Final Boss Veigar? Nah dude...you are now a Training Mode Boss.

15 Comments

xSlothKing2/26/2015, 10:36:25 PM8 votes

I´m agree, In the Patch Rundown 5.4 Riot jag said that a master veigar can take advantage but... just veigar masters will can use veigar? how about of normal people? veigar is squishy, slow, short range and now 2 skills with delay.... How the hell veigar can get kills now? he just depended of their stunt for escape from a gank and now he have a delay in His E, now easily you can flash away and take him down and in early game you would can denied farm... His passive will be useless, I hope that Riot reconsider this changes and do a real balance on him :c

Trundle Bundle2/27/2015, 1:00:30 AM5 votes

The reason Riot wanted to change Veigar was because DFG was removed. They decided, understandably, that champs that utilized DFG might need compensation in order to continue to fit their roles. Veigar in particular is problematic because the way he's structured doesn't give you many levers to adjust him. They couldn't fit more power into his kit without making singular spells far too powerful individually.

The problems with Riot's methods are that they admitted that DFG's removal didn't impact Veigar that much, they still went ahead with the changes regardless, and the changes that they made were wonderfully half assed. They still can't reasonably adjust his numbers, he still only has around 2 strengths across his entire being, and now he's both horrifically disjointed and all around miserable to play.

Yiffed By Veigar2/26/2015, 10:16:43 PM4 votes

Totally agree mate, veigar is just an overgrown caster minion (but more useless) who give more gold when you kill him.

Truthteller2/26/2015, 11:57:55 PM4 votes

Are you kidding? Veigar is a beast...in bots

RamboDash152/27/2015, 12:31:54 AM4 votes

When I first read the notes and saw all the complaints about the nerf I chalked them up as people whining about minor changes. Then I played him...

And holy crap he is near useless now. His E is more like a JarvanIV ult but without the damage and with a long delay. They'll just stand there laughing at you and still be able to avoid his main poke which is now an easy to avoid skill shot. It seems like they wanted to turn him into an ap version of Nasus , where he just farms all game (with a two hitter Q), and then blows them up later on, but he has none of the survivability of Nasus , which makes him so very weak in most stages of the game.

Solaxo2/27/2015, 1:00:50 AM3 votes

They wanted to compensate him for DFG removal.. with nerfs ofc!

MysteryMan552/27/2015, 3:24:47 AM2 votes

i agree veigar was aone of my most favorite champions and now i feel like he usless to play if u lane against a kat talon zed fizz leblanc... etc u will b usless/ and or feeding not to mention when ur ganked i feel like the skins i spent real money on (final boss and greybeard) r pointless to have now cuz i prob will never play him again :'( gj riot u just ruined one of my fav champs by completely changing how hes played and im heartbroken :'( rip veigar prepatch 5.4

Tray The Mage2/27/2015, 5:52:06 PM1 votes

veigar is still extremely powerful and can 100-0 ap mages with just r and then kill their adc with just q and w....

PIusxUItra2/28/2015, 6:21:40 PM1 votes

Thank you for voicing your concern also. Some say that if you actually know how to use his new E that he is still good. Sorry, but whoever gets cought up in his E is not so bright. You see it a mile away. Plus if you do get cought up inside they can still avoid his W.

Seriouslly, Riot does not know how many people actually think their balancing is...not that great.

SirPacifista4/14/2015, 6:42:35 PM1 votes

Jeah, riot should really fix Veigar, he was not too strong before, and nobody did really complain about him (look at the forums, who did complain about him?) everybody is complaining about RIven and Zed, but riot is not fixing that.

Really, revert Veigar, he was ok for 4 years, nodbody touchedh im in that time and everything was fine. (and nobody complained that his stun was too strong, since it does NO DAMAGE)