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Capitalizing on Vision Denial (Nocturne, Graves)

Eris Umberwell··63 votes·2,877 views

I was thinking about this fairly undervalued mechanic in League - the ability to cut down map vision to a shortened sight radius around the affected player(s). When I play or am allied with one of the two characters with this mechanic (Nocturne and Graves), it is very hard to actually capitalize on the advantages that this vision denial gives because there is no feedback for the team with this advantage that clarifies the shortened vision range.

I believe for both skills (Paranoia and Smoke Screen), the reduced vision range is 675 units, but this is difficult to visualize at a glance and players not familiar with these champions probably won't know that.

What I suggest is that champions affected by the vision denial debuff have a feedback circle, similar to Kha'Zix's Isolation indicator, that clarifies their sight radius to both allies and enemies so teams with this advantage can make tactical plays such as flanking ambushes and skirting in and out of the vision range, and teammates allied with the debuffed player (who have vision of them!) know what they can and can't see.

22 Comments

Grouchy Poro11 votes

I support this. Good QoL buff.

AetherKingdom2 votes

I am interest

Ulric Greatsword2 votes

If only the DARKNESSSSSS lasted like 1 more second... I guess I'll have to wait for a Nocturne 1-for-all mirror match to happen.

mi ramfan1 votes

Most plays made with Nocturne's ultimate are due to the global dash+nuke, not because of the vision reduction. It's easier to justify buffing Graves' W in this way since it's that ability's primary utility, but I don't think giving it indicators would cause people to play any differently than they already did.

4nth0l0gy9 votes

Whaat

Dude my favorite part of Noc's ult is the vision denial. That's what kept me wanting to play him so much when I was newer to league.

mi ramfan13 votes

"DARKNESSSSSSSSSS" is definitely the coolest part of that ability, but in terms of actual power the dash and nuke does more.

Think of the semi-global dash+nuke as a $25 dinner entree, while the blackout is the ice cream you order for dessert. We all love the ice cream's flavor, but the steak just does more for our bodies.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

That's why I still love him.

ImHerVoice5 votes

not as good as his eternum skin. "oblivion"

DJ Kahyled1 votes

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Whaat

Dude my favorite part of Noc's ult is the vision denial. That's what kept me wanting to play him so much when I was newer to league.

After I hear "darkness" in a team fight, hear "ace" right after.

GaleWinUnleashed2 votes

But also, every single lane retreats when Nocturne ults, because they have no idea where he's going with it.

xXSomeoneElse2 votes

sometimes I randomly ult just for that reason xD

NewspaperNarwhal4 votes

In pro plays the Noct ult is the ultimate Buff/Dragon/Baron denial ability...in a teamfight not knowing which direction your carries are going is detrimental. The vision denial is the strongest part of his kit, otherwise it would be a pantheon ult with less range and a higher CD.

Tis a nice day1 votes

I support this, only so I can spam /taunt in front of my enemies' faces but just outside of their vision radius.

TotalJerk1 votes

The reason Riot doesn't really do much team vision denial anymore is because it's hard countered by voice chat.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a391 votes

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The reason Riot doesn't really do much team vision denial anymore is because it's hard countered by voice chat.

Except DARKNESS..

McAllister1 votes

"Oh shit, he came in bot" does take the suspense out of it in laning, I'll admit, but it doesn't do anything to make the ult less effective in a teamfight. Needing to keep your enemies in 675 range to shoot them, or your allies in 675 range to see them, is an important and interesting limitation.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a391 votes

really nice idea

Fuaztin1 votes

Let's have 5 or 6 rings around every champ after level six. With each one being a different color to symbolize with letter of the ability causing it. Jesus

Ace Access 1 votes

+1

me want to see this happen Riot, make this happen

Profirix1 votes

I do agree that vision denial is a very unique mechanic that is incredibly hard to capitalize on without some sort of visual indicator to your team. I would very much like to see this implemented and I think it has a lot to offer champions that use these abilities.

Fitz n The Fool1 votes

Like the idea. The vision denial is actually the strongest part of Noc ult, except early game when the gank is the most important. But after laning phase the vision denial is extremely strong. You just pop it when a fight breaks out and you dont need to use the dash at all.

Unemployed Ninja1 votes

I still think the best thing in the world to hear is "Darknesssssssss" follow by "An enemy has been slain" with nocturnes picture popping up as the enemy. That shit has made me laugh since day one, and always will.

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