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Leblanc is such a great design.

Iron V Skills··86 votes·18,422 views

Gets stomped in lane still one shots. Wins lane One shots 8/2 kha still can't outdamage having 12k dmg while lb has 16k. Not to mention all her kills were basically at the end.After getting completely stomped in lane by fizz.

Good thing we have idiot proof champions.Great counterplay I mean we all have flash every 10 seconds to survive her 1 shots.

Update - For everyone saying she needs "skill" her combo isn't skill. Point and click Q easy to hit w and you can't miss E if you are in their face. Although it might take skill to be FAKER level, doing her combo is not skill, it's easy and cheap. Same with yasuo he is easy to play. To play him at a god-tier level that's skill. Picking up a champ that's already easy enough isn't skill.

Right now leblanc 1 shot is so straight forward its easy, maybe doing other things requires skill but not her combo. I'd say she does require great "skill" in the higher elo where things are harder. But that doesn't me she is hard to play at lower elos or hard to perform is braindead combo. You can't say a champion is difficult when you aren't doing the difficult part, you are doing the easy part.

If it looked like you needed more than 2 brain cells to execute her 1 shot i'd be fine with it.But it's the easiest combo.YOU NEED FLASH TO COUNTER IT, unless you have a dash or something to get out. Lastly I get that she is an assassin but when she is fed you can't make 1 mistake or half your health if not all gets deleted. While throughout the whole game lb can make 50 mistakes and take it all back with a push of a button, Her passive or her ult and if all fails she will probably still kill you since her damage is absurd.

129 Comments

Cravin Ur Cheeks53 votes

shes easily the most braindead ap champ and one of the most op ones. oh let me press w and r insta kill you then press them again to teleport escape with nothing you can do.. oh not to mention the shaco clone because of course right.

saltran24 votes

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Spank the Fox3 votes

Volibear is the most braindead tank champ and one of the most op ones (don’t ask for stats). oh let me press q and e and run at you then bite your hp bar to zero with nothing you can do (kiting doesn’t count).. oh not to mention the mundo ult on his passive because of course right.

Aimléss8 votes

I know you're being sarcastic, but it's disgusting to compare Volibear's counter-play to Leblanc's even with sarcasm. It's just that night and day.

EROTIC RAID BOSS11 votes

While she's on the strong side she is not really easy to play.

People gotta stop rewarding such troll comments like this

Cravin Ur Cheeks4 votes

not really easy to play? shes about as easy as yasuo lmfao. when a champ takes 2 hours to master. yeah so hard.

EROTIC RAID BOSS6 votes

are you trolling? yasuo and leblanc are both difficult to learn to play. honestly, how many champs are harder than these 2? it's a very short list they're definitely in the top 10 most difficult champs to learn.

Haze972 votes

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are you trolling? yasuo and leblanc are both difficult to learn to play. honestly, how many champs are harder than these 2? it's a very short list they're definitely in the top 10 most difficult champs to learn.

Of course he isn't. Are you new to League? I can name a shit ton of champs who are far harder to play and less rewarding than these two.

Try playing Azir for a couple of hours and mastering his sand soldier placements for example. That's what a 'difficult' champion looks like. Yasuo and Le Blanc are both very high reward champions and they come with such little risk you hardly need to be worried about making risky trades with them (Le Blanc's escape tactics and Yasuo's shield guarantee a getaway or a kill against most midlane threats).

EROTIC RAID BOSS4 votes

I have 500k mastery points on azir and i'm telling you, yasuo is right up there with him. and leblanc is not that far behind them.

Azir Camille Cassiopeia Gangplank Leblanc Lee Sin Thresh Yasuo Zoe Katarina? Jayce?

Somethin like that's gotta be the 10 hardest in the game right?

0 Hogapu2 votes

how's jayce in ur list tho :O

Arzurag1 votes

The difficulty of a champion is like the meta in league, it only matters when comparing champions.

Each on their own is actually pretty easy, it is just a matter of getting used to the handling of respective champion.

Dr Dog1 votes

hard to master ya but both champs are dirt easy to play anywhere below diamond

Larriet5 votes

I cannot play LeBlanc at all. I am just incapable of pulling off the things I see others do. She also scales very poorly; people saying she "one-shots" when behind are thinking "they lost lane so they're useless" regardless of how many items they've actually built. Once an assassin has three items, they can solo kill a squishy; regardless of whether they were ahead or behind, they have three items. That's also true of burst mages. You aren't gonna have the defenses to survive that anymore. The fact a champion isn't literally completely useless after losing lane is actually good design; players should still have agency throughout the game, even at times when they should be at a disadvantage.

I agree she lacks counterplay, though. Laning is hell, lol

Weiss Guertena2 votes

The "they lost lane so they are useless" thinking on LB is majorly a fault of LB players themselves, who use it as an argument awfully often. If I only had a penny whenever someone defended LB by saying "she falls off like a rock, don't feed her kills early and watch her be useless after 20 minutes" I'd have enough money to buy Riot and delete LB.

Plubio2 votes

The idea of "falls off like a rock" doesn't literally mean she's useless after 20 minutes. A non-ultra fed LeBlanc against half competent team finds kinda hard to delete a squishy pass 30 minutes because even if you can snap back with W if you didn't kill their ADC you're virtually useless for a while. And still, you need to be in danger zone even for a few seconds to be effective.

Let's not forget that dumb QR poke was deleted (30/70 damage now) when Riot un-reworked her.

Of course, as a LeBlanc main, I understand Distortion is a very strong ability but idk is not like it is totally uncountereable or something. Is not release Xin Zhao by any means. She, indeed, feels oppresive when ahead but practically any champ in the game can feel like that.

Sõna11 votes

Thanks to the people who want her revert to the previous status. I wonder where were all those guy that kept shouting "revert" all the time but now being quiet like a mosquito. Because they want the "fun" of one shotting people, dislike slow damage/mechanism in order to kill a champion. I liked the reworked leblanc but now its ruined thanks to those monkeys.

Leetri3 votes

People only post on the boards to complain, and since they got what they wanted they no longer have any reason to post here.

Elewd4 votes

leblancs "rework" made her stupid clunky to play, the fact her entire build pattern changed to focus on more autos should tell you how awful it was.

Sõna1 votes

Still better than current one shot free mobility unpunishable leblanc.

Elewd3 votes

it was incredibly unfun, and was just as oneshotty as current. she just needs a lower leesh range on her E and incrase the delay between her being able to port back with her W increased so you can punish her if she goes in during a bad attempt at oneshotting. thats how she USED to be.

Noor Sakata10 votes

almost all assassins are the same to be honest

Śhunpo2 votes

No.....

Noor Sakata9 votes

{quoted}

No.....

Yes lol , including your Kata , god knows how many times i stomped her in lane and then she E q gunblade R ignite me without hitting a single dagger and killed me while she is 0/8

Śhunpo3 votes

Katarina is THE slowest champion in the game in terms of burst. Don't compare her to other assassins you absolute plebian.

Noor Sakata6 votes

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Katarina is THE slowest champion in the game in terms of burst. Don't compare her to other assassins you absolute plebian. Right that's why whenever I get few items on her and smash my key board and get a penta kill in less than 4 seconds ?

How the hell her burst is slow ? it takes 2 seconds to Q e enemy gunblade ult lol

In terms of slowest , Zed is much slower than her with his Ult

LTK KoRo4 votes

Talon is slower with his passive proc too, Akali is slower with her ult delay.

Kata is actually one of the fastest assassins, her animations are really short and she doesn't have any hard burst delay, like akali R2 CD, or Camille Q2 delay. Fed Kata can delete teams in 0.5 secs.

Śhunpo3 votes

it takes 2 seconds

I rest my case.

As for Zed he can oneshot without ult pop.

Noor Sakata2 votes

{quoted}

I rest my case.

As for Zed he can oneshot without ult pop.

If he hits 2 q's , E , and a basic attack ignite yeah he can , and so as Kata if she picks 1 dagger

Śhunpo2 votes

Yes, and her dagger takes time to drop. Zed's burst doesn't really take any time besides his W landing at the location (when fed).

Genghis Khat6 votes

Please do not mind this guy. he is one of the few people in the katarina community that no one likes. Saying stuff like kata is weak and her E requires buffs. he is just a classic case of "Plz buff mah main"

Noor Sakata2 votes

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Please do not mind this guy. he is one of the few people in the katarina community that no one likes. Saying stuff like kata is weak and her E requires buffs. he is just a classic case of "Plz buff mah main"

Yeah that's the thing , I never said Kata is strong or something , I just mentioned that she can still kill very fast

chipndip11 votes

...No, and stop with your silly victim complex.

Śhunpo1 votes

Support player. Makes sense. Learn how to land your CC and you'll instantly stop complaining about Kat.

chipndip12 votes

You don't hit D3 by not landing your cc. How about you stop with your victim complex? There's evidence enough that Kat isn't weak and doesn't need buffs.

Śhunpo1 votes

I meeeean....the entire subreddit stating that she's not fun should be enough to realise that she needs some positive attention, whether it be through QoL changes, buffs or a complete revert.

chipndip11 votes

Oh no, a bunch of Katarina mains complaining about Katarina not being in the spotlight. Obviously we should ignore all empirical data and just make random changes to the champion for no apparent reason outside of "unfun", which is entirely subjective based on who's bitching today.

Votable Jester3 votes

I mean if a champion just straight up isn't very fun even for the people who play the champion, that champions could probably use some changes. Definitely not buffs, but ideally some power-neutral changes.

Much easier said than done though.

chipndip11 votes

Unless you want Katarina out-right Aatrox'd, you'd probably just leave well enough alone, cause this constant complaining for unneeded changes is how Aatrox's work got turned into a VGU.

Votable Jester1 votes

You mean because old Aatrox players don't like new Aatrox or something? I mean he really is a very different champion now, but I'd generally call it a successful VGU.

chipndip11 votes

No. Riot had made significant changes to Aatrox's passive and Q before he got VGU'd. What did people do when they did those? Ask for MORE changes. Eventually Riot just VGU'd him outright.

If a champion has a power appreciation problem, that IS a design issue. If these guys want Kat to stay the way she is, they shouldn't make it seem like Kat's a bigger issue than she is.

Śhunpo1 votes

So you're saying that a video game shouldn't be fun? Well, that's one warped perspective you have right there.

chipndip11 votes

It should be fun, but fun is subjective.

You'll have more fun when you finally focus on your champ and your play and less on what others have and how cool they look in comparison to you. I hated playing Sona when I started realizing how boring and lazy her design is in comparison to the newer supports, so I dropped her for a newer support I could have fun on. It's not a balance issue (for solo queue, anyway), it's an "experience" issue. Don't coat your subjective feelings on fun as a balance issue.

Śhunpo2 votes

Again, I'm going to say that it's not fun to play a champion that relies entirely on playing around delays....and then boards says that she's not close to if not the slowest champion in terms of burst.

My subjective feelings on fun are a balance issue since fundamentally this current Kat is broken, not OP broken, just broken and only works in dream scenarios. If you disagree with me that's fine, however I do think she needs a shit ton of bugfixes and QoL changes before she can ever be truly fun.

chipndip11 votes

{quoted}

Again, I'm going to say that it's not fun to play a champion that relies entirely on playing around delays....and then boards says that **she's not close to if not the slowest champion in terms of burst. **

Akali, Zed, and Evelynn exist. All Kat's gotta do is land the dagger placement.

My subjective feelings on fun are a balance issue

Well you're wrong but go ahead and continue making a fool of yourself.

since fundamentally this current Kat is broken, not OP broken, just broken and only works in dream scenarios.

I hope other Kat mains aren't this..."way".

chipndip11 votes

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Yep, and they all have general safety and reliability in their escapes and engages.

...this has nothing to do with any of that even if I wanted to argue down this point as well. This is about burst speed, where you're clearly wrong. "Oh no! Shunpo has an insignificant cast time!"...and? No one cares about your .15 second cast time. Kat is functional, if not outright strong in the hands of Kat mains, in all elos. Seriously, you're a victim of nothing.

I'm not wrong. In order to make Kat fun again they have to find a way to make it so that she doesn't feel useless unless she's 10/0.

Aight...so don't change the champion because that's the case right now or change the absolute fuck out of her because her kit's unable to make you realize that killing 3 enemies by yourself should be fun to do.

What? Stubborn

That part.

Ugly Alien1 votes

{quoted}

Again, I'm going to say that it's not fun to play a champion that relies entirely on playing around delays....and then boards says that she's not close to if not the slowest champion in terms of burst.

My subjective feelings on fun are a balance issue since fundamentally this current Kat is broken, not OP broken, just broken and only works in dream scenarios. If you disagree with me that's fine, however I do think she needs a shit ton of bugfixes and QoL changes before she can ever be truly fun.

Exactly. Especially in early game that delay kills you. There is no other champ that has delays in combos like this. Early game she is so weak that she's always behind.

Just watch the top Kat players like Hublet, Katevolved, showmaker, etc. They are always behind in cs against their opponents early/mid game. They need a gank or help to catch up.

She is the weakest assassin right now. She cannot 1 v 1 any assassin if both players are equal.

Riot needs to fix the delay.

Genghis Khat1 votes

entire subreddit. idk biggest katarina subreddit didnt have that joke of a post. some small 200 people subreddit made a random post with LITERALLY 0 evidence to anything and straight up asked for buffs on a broken champ.

Śhunpo1 votes

QoL changes* not buffs :)

Might wanna actually read the post(s) before commenting on them.

Genghis Khat1 votes

QoL = taking off cast time? Reducing CD? Damage increase? damn man thats some QoL :D seriously stop responding. do you have any sense of self respect?

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