[{quoted}](name=Bërnd das Brööt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=hQrBkcec,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-15T18:12:50.893+0000)
Well fair enough, whether the support's at fault or the adc probably just depends on perspective.
But still I think mage "supports" aren't actual supports, since they don't support the adc. Sure, they can deal some damage, but in what scenario does that save the adc from being raped to death by whatever one shot champ or engage comp?
I see your point, and if I were to play support in lower elos I'd also pick a carry champ instead of relying on the adc. I'm just saying that that won't make the game any fun for the adc and you might as well just go mid.
On a serious note, I can't think of any scenario where it's better to go mage support instead of mid and not have a cc/shield/heal supp instead..
I would say the best reason to have a support mage is because the damage early is so much more than most ADCs can dish out; that is the primary reason to having a mage down there; in Mid lane a Champ like lets say Lux; she's decent right? But you put her bot and she becomes a powerhouse, her kit has so much damage already that she can out trade almost any ADC 1 v 1.
BTW Supports job isn't to support JUST the AD, it's to support the TEAM! If the AD was the best win condition for the team then it would make sense to play certain champs to buff that champ or to let that champ succeed but atm the AD in this meta is not often times the win condition and as such the support needs to focus on giving the team (Keyword TEAM) the best chance to win, that's what a Support does. My job isn't to JUST support the AD and that's the misconception of the role
Zyra same thing, Although Zyra mid is actually pretty terrible because she gets shit on by so many champs mid; you put her bot lane and she is so long range and so much poke that most ADCs can't really handle that and many Enchanter supports can't either because of Zyra's long range Root it offers a lot of catch and poke or catch and all in potential. The damage is eventually too much
Velkoz is even stronger than Zyra and Lux, that guy..just thankful that more people aren't good enough to play him tbh because he is like a Mage above all; his damage makes zyra look like a wet noodle and the all in potential early makes Draven look like a Bitch.
You wanna know why you lock those? Its cause you can win lane and snowball! If i lock Raka or Jana i suppose i could win lane but am i gonna snowball? Prolly not, it's prolly a really slow afk farm game that is 2 years too late and with the game being much faster paced as well it's better to snowball the lane and transition asap to somewhere else.
Most of my games generally speaking around less than 30minutes (when it gets 45 that is actually a long game) and i'm Silver! Last season the games (similar/same elo) would seemingly go on for 45-60minutes consistently and the season before that it was a little longer sometimes.
If this were Ardent meta again and the ADC was the only real win condition and things lasted for 45 minutes then I suppose there would be a case to be made but also the role of Tank has went down, there are more skirmishes around the map, more aggression and way way more allin.
This is honestly the worse time to be playing those classic enchanter supports because when they are behind they offer you very little and have very narrow windows to get you back in the game and are also conditional on others as well.
I honestly think that the only thing that matters is if there is pick potential (hard CC); if they have CC then that can be used offensively and defensively, and the better the CC the more consistent the champ; so even though Brand for sure has the DMG he is a little iffy since his CC is so inconsistent; he is a gamble to lock because of that.
Zyra on the other hand, similar dmg but way way better CC and although she is slow as hell she has better range than Brand. Brand is honestly not a great support atm but it's not because he can't be a support, it's because other mage sups are just better if i'm being frank, they scale similar or have just better synergy with other champs.
You give me a good velkoz and even i can play ADC; you get that Velkoz fed and it'll be even easier.
With limited amounts of Tanks as well as many ppl not valuing CC the way they should I would say if you are a AD you should be welcoming your Mage Overlords; Cause if your team is Aatrox, Yi, Zed, YOU AD and nobody is going to start fights since nobody has CC, you should be happy gettting something like that cause you would have a better chance with Zyra then you will with Raka
so goodluck out there finding true peel in solo queue.
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can still save and buff the ADC while they do their thing. Main ones I have the problem is that they just go for a mid lane build on a support income and abandon the ADC whenever the feel like it.
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in place. With a fairly good cc in good conditions.