Honestly I hate playing ADC, but any other lane I can play competently at my rank (gold scrub). I would love Riot to add an option in order to have "fill but exclude X", which would be great for gameplay where you're already with playing any role except X. Does anyone else think this would be a good option to have?
Also why did Riot nerf bruisers..
Sirsir19 votesSomeone threw out the idea that when you picked 'Fill' primary your secondary would turn red and be 'except'.
And I still think it's a great concept. I'd happily play any role that isn't top.
NaughtyWord7 votes{quoted} And I still think it's a great concept. I'd happily play any role that isn't top.
Are you me?
I hate top lane, just about every cancerous champ in this game is normally a top laner.
Sirsir5 votesNo I think that's just THE correct statement about top lane. It's all about who picks the champ that has to work the least to win lane.
Need Gold 4 Tent4 votesBut still has the least impact on the game. Top lane winning doesn't do anything considering the work you have to put into it and the much bigger russian roulette you play at champ select. I pick Garen, they pick Teemo, my jungler says "GG top" and I never see him ever again. But then I just afk farm under turret, let top turret fall if needed and pray that bot lane is ahead. If they are, well sucks to be the enemy winning top laner.
LightswornLance2 votesGaren vs Teemo is a bad matchup in theory for garen but in practice teemo players are quite stupid and fail to play it properly, usually you can just take the bullying till level 6 where you flash on them and full combo kill. Now they can't play the game from there and you can just tower dive.
Sirsir1 votesIn my (limited) experience if you make it to 3 at a decent health amount, and build a smidge of MR, you can win the lane rather easily. He really relies on hard bullying at level 1 to set the pace for the lane.
Nonetheless his point still stands. Top is largely rock-paper-scissors, where the counterpick decides the lane. And unlike mid/bot you don't really get the option to play safe from behind. You either get poked to death under tower by ranged characters or dove by melees because towers are garbage after 5 mins.
DuskDaUmbreon12 votesThat'd be a good idea, as long as it was, you know...just for choice.
Falls apart if you let it exclude autofill, but if it's kept for just manually choosing fill, that's probably fine.
kn1ghtmre4 votesHaha not excluding autofill of course, though that already is an option I believe because Riot makes it so if you play specific positions enough you may be filled automatically in game to a position which you don't normally play if you have locked in something such as top/mid.
Saezio1 votesI honestly think we should be able to exclude ONE ROLE (except support for obvious reasons) in return for not picking primary and secondary. And not have to ever autofill since we are already filling 4 positions. I think it would be fair
Especially for people that simply hate adc (me!) or jungle that are roles that are very different in their own way.
R0ses R Red4 votesYea, this is a very good option.
Jamaree3 votesWe are back to the problem of long queue times again because no one picking support good idea on paper though.
kn1ghtmre2 votesB-b-b-b-ut support is my favorite role. Also with Senna releasing I'm sure many more players will pick support haha
Killer of Night91 votesSenna is just a solution on the short run. After 2-4 week everyone is back at playing where they please and also she will be played a lot off role just because someone is first pick. Also people wouldn't still be happy even if you remove 1 position because both support and jungle suck for 70%+ of the lol community. Even if you like playing on one of this 2 role, other player don't and you will end playing only support or jungle everytime that you will end hating both role and calling to remove 2 role instead of 1.
Starcraft243ver3 votesAccording to this : https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2017/06/ask-riot-autofilled/
They tried it and it did not work.
We’ve been experimenting with a number of alternative position select systems. We tried out position veto (which ultimately ended up sucking because basically everyone chose to veto support, lowering matchmaking quality overall). We also tried labels showing which positions would have the fastest queue times, which initially closed the gap, but players went back to their preferred styles after a couple of weeks. Autofill was introduced as a last resort way of ensuring people didn’t sit in queues for ridiculously long stretches.
CurlyBastard1 votesThe solution is simple: let us veto any lane except support
Starcraft243ver1 votesThe solution is simple: let us veto any lane except support
I think that on different servers and time of the day and elo the shortage in one role can vary.
CurlyBastard1 votesIf you get to play one out of 4 roles I doubt there's gonna be any shortages at all
This change would be aimed mostly at medium-high, high elo as they usually have one lane that they wanna avoid at all costs (I've been there when I was dia5, I used to be an awful adc and I literally begged for support when I got autofilled as an adc)
Starcraft243ver1 votesIf you get to play one out of 4 roles I doubt there's gonna be any shortages at all
This change would be aimed mostly at medium-high, high elo as they usually have one lane that they wanna avoid at all costs (I've been there when I was dia5, I used to be an awful adc and I literally begged for support when I got autofilled as an adc)
This shows a lack of adaptability, you can play a lot of mages and even some fighters in botlane. I just pick a mage any time i'm filled ADC.
CurlyBastard1 votesAight, tell that to a mid main that hates playing jungle, I bet you that he'll wholeheartedly accept the mage jungler strat and his team will be more than happy to embrace the idea!
Starcraft243ver1 votesYou can play malphite, ekho, diana, sylas, most combat mage can go jungle.
But i'll agree Jungle if the most 'odd' lane if you do not know it.
AnubisDeathtouch2 votesI doubt this is a problem anymore. Support has gotten more and more popular; Years ago you never had to call support in randoms, that was just by default the last thing picked, but now that isn't true. Besides, that wasn't a good excuse for them to abandon the idea anyway. If there was a role that was necessary to the meta that people didn't find particularly rewarding to play then Rito should have focused on making it fun to play, not forcing people into it.
Starcraft243ver1 votesI doubt this is a problem anymore. Support has gotten more and more popular; Years ago you never had to call support in randoms, that was just by default the last thing picked, but now that isn't true. Besides, that wasn't a good excuse for them to abandon the idea anyway. If there was a role that was necessary to the meta that people didn't find particularly rewarding to play then Rito should have focused on making it fun to play, not forcing people into it.
but toplane is now unpopular so you'd have the same problem.
Support Position3 votesFill but no jungle
[sg-jinx]
Helmight2 votesProblem is that you'd still end up with most of the playerbase selecting to exclude support as a role, which puts us back into the same situation that forced Riot to add autofill. In ideal circumstances I'd agree with you, but until every position is equally desirable, this feature is just going to cause significantly longer queue times.
ZackTheWaffleMan6 votesthis wouldn't remove autofill
kn1ghtmre6 votesAutofill is something completely different, and honestly I don't think that many people despise support, when I fill support is probably picked for me ~25% of the time, jungle is more hated at least in Gold.
Starcraft243ver2 votesAutofill is something completely different, and honestly I don't think that many people despise support, when I fill support is probably picked for me ~25% of the time, jungle is more hated at least in Gold.
They tried it and everyone was vetoing support. So, think again :)
MasterDClone1 votesbut say u fill excluding support, and then autofill places you support anyway what does the veto thing change exactly
RyzeRework2 votesSad thing is if you fill jg is the role you get most
Jesi Oni1 votesMaybe instead of primary and secondary role we should have only primary but with exclude? That would make it easier to get autofill protected... because you would get autofilled more 😅
Corvega1 votesYeah especially for normals, ranked I'm not sure.
Terozu1 votesThey already tried this, it doesn't work.
AnubisDeathtouch1 votesAbsolutely yes. I was just thinking of this the other day when solo queue dumped me into top lane over and over. Literally any other role would have been fine. I don't want to be stuck there and I don't want to cost my team the game by being stuck in the one role I'm no good at. If it takes a little longer to find a match, so be it; I'd rather it take a little longer and everyone end up in a role their comfortable with.
MasterDClone1 votesOMG yes i can play anything but adc this would be great,
MegaHuff1 votesI've seen people (including myself) call for this multiple times over years. I get tired of getting queued into jungle when I have no idea how to jungle and my teams just end up feeding and making it impossible for me to have an impact anyway.
And that Ask Riot article everybody is referring to is 2 years old. That's just when they said that they tried it in the past. With at least 2 years of time having passed, I frequently get filled jungle nowadays practically any time I hit the fill role. That's why I avoid picking it now. Last time supports were obviously the least popular was when they didn't even get gold per 5 off of their items and most of their money was spent on spamming vision around the map.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesThey did a test run of this in other servers in season 7 I think? And found that on average, majority of people were excluding support which lead to unhealthy queue times. I think the numbers would be much different now though as support is a much more attractive role than it used to be.
Shieda Kayn1 votesI vividly recall such a thing being on the PBE a few years ago. Very unfortunate it didn't make it live.
Serika Zero1 votesThe idea is good, and graphics wise they could easily implement that without any major changes to the UI. While the idea is nice, it's implementation seems more like fantasy.
The code behind, oh boy. To put it simple. Let's looks at a no 2 options system but one option system where you only pick 1 role.
The system will simply make "virtual" teams with what people que. So let's say we have 5 people que as top, 7 as mid 3 as junglers
And that's it. you'd have 753 teams combinations. each one of them waiting for 2 more spots. And the system has to find 2 of those teams also in mmr range of each other. For the sake of argument let's say every player above is in the same mmr range.
So, you have 105 teams out of just 15 players. Now you add the second choice for everyone and the "teams" grow exponentially. 105*105 most likely. 11025 if I'm not that bad at math. and if you add in more possible roles that number grows a bit to much to be managed..
which is why with out current technology, unless riot figures out a great match making system to lower said numbers is never going to happen.
Something like that doesn't come out of the blue. even if I were payed 1 mil $ I might not be able to come with that system even if for the next 3 months I'd assemble a team and go math math math every day trying to come up with a good algorithm
xelaker1 votesYou kidding me? The client can barely handle existing, you want it to filter stuff now?
Sageace1 votesWow! Fill with an Exclude would be a GREAT option...
Until you get autofilled....