Does Rank Need More Bans?

5 bans for 110 (?) heroes

The bans also are staggered and some bans happen after one person has already picked, and a lot of heroes in Dota can be counterpicked into not being useful at all - Broodmother into Earthshaker or Skywrath Mage into Pugna for example, so those 5 bans are warranted because other heroes can just be countered

However counter picks in League are more like "I have a slightly easier time against this guy." We need more bans because its a lot harder to negate an op champs power with a counter, a TF being able to spot rengar in invisibility may be a slight counter, but a hero in Dota literally making someone instantly die If they use their abilities next to them is a gamebreaking counterpick

cough were not all diamond lmao

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Soraka isn't really a 100% ban anymore since her most recent balance nerfs. Below diamond, maybe, but diamond players are wise enough to take Ignite, purchase Morellos, Executioner/Mortal Reminder to actually shut Soraka down. I don't even see Taric banned too often in diamond either. Occasionally, I'll see the two banned, but not very often.

The general agreement on Poppy isn't that she's op or busted either. She's just extremely good in coordinated games, hence her always being picked in LCS and MSI. She's just an extremely useful asset in coordinated teams.

I don't get support bans in general. If an ADC in low ELO requests a Blitzcrank ban I try to give it to them if we can spare a ban because I know they're going to walk into all his pulls. Other than that, it's a waste.

Soraka definitely got nerfed hard with the grievous wounds revert, and now any mage that gets Morellos can effectively assassinate the out of position carry without worrying about Soraka. She's number 8 in win rate, just behind Taric. She's not even top 5 in pick rate anymore. I think she's still good, but ban worthy? No way. The Taric bans aren't worth it anymore either, where as last patch they were a must for most leagues. Alistar, Braum, Blitzcrank, Nami, and of course Janna are doing better.

I completely disagree with the guy's opinion on Zed too. That's a must ban in so many ranked games.

What is and isn't ban worthy varies across leagues, and with dynamic queue I don't think more bans would make as big of an impact as people are trying to make it out to be. Like you said, some of these champions are insanely good if they are on coordinated teams that communicate.

However the champion pool keeps getting bigger. If Riot is so cautious to allow more bans in then they can always just let each side ban 4 champions for one patch. If it doesn't work out they can always revert it.

everyone thinks taric is op because they dont how to either back off when he tries to ult or kill the adc before his slow ult takes effect

If it becomes one per then me and a lot of people with never play with or against X champion ever again.

For me it would be Ekko because I'm tired of not blinking

No. 30. and if you dodge, you're in for a world of hurt while dealing with withdraws... ROFL

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You're about right on everything here. Except Elo hell, as it doesn't actually exist. I've been there. If you're stuck in bronze, it's likely where you actually belong. Sorry to tell you :/

Or maybe you're just stuck with people who don't play well in teams. I was among the top fifty players in NA in a short-lived MOBA, but it took me over half the season to escape from Bronze into Silver here (the two tiers are actually not that different, if at all). It's because of two things: 1) the champions aren't balanced very well, and 2) many people in this dumb community aren't team players.