Fizz losing identity

MrGeoghagan··4 votes·1,125 views

I completely understand the need there was for a nerf on Fizz, he was just crazy scary after only 1 or 2 kills, even if behind, but now he is losing his assassin identity. He lost over 50% of the damage on his q, got his w altered/nerfed to where the active does % health damage w/ no grievous wounds. Compensation? A 6 second 20% damage buff to a champion tagged with his ultimate. It's essentially what was done to Kassadin, in regards to breaking his legs, but handing him some crutches and pretending everything is all good. Fizz is now becoming this weird % health damage fighter that is either succeed or fail hard. That's not what Fizz is, yeah it's a secondary option and can be fun at times, but his assassin play style is what I preferred, which is now taking a backseat to this new fighter Fizz. I have to believe that this is just an unfortunate and unintended result of the nerfs, not something Riot is intentionally creating. I'm not saying "buff Fizz, buff Fizz," but something needs to change to bring relevance back to what was his primary play style, assassin.

*edit: A little clarification in regards to the poll, by "preferred play style when playing Fizz" I'm referring to in general, not which one is stronger. So as an example, though AD Fizz seems to be stronger, I do still prefer his assassin play style because it's what piqued my interest and got me playing Fizz.

25 Comments

BluePolarizer5 votes

uh FIzz's identity was a nimble fighter, and he still has that identity...

Graidon1 votes

Get Rekt OP.

"FISH FISH FISH!"

MrGeoghagan1 votes

That's his passive, not so much his identity. I'm completely okay with AD Fizz being viable, in my opinion it always has been, but now it's even better than his AP build because his assassin capabilities have been heavily diminished. Many are treating AD Fizz as if he has just now came to be possible, which is not the case. Even Fizz's spotlight acknowledges him as an assassin first and foremost.

Intermediary3 votes

I actually really like his current fighter meta. A Fizz with a higher health pool and better sustained damage with less burst is exactly what I was looking for. It makes him a nimble fighter who gets stronger as the fight progresses and rewards you for using your abilities to dodge abilities or outplay your opponent as you duel them. It's no longer this ability spam-fest where you R-Q-E someone and Zhonya's. We already have several champions who try to 100-0 you instantly in the midlane (Zed being the prime example). I sympathize and am apologetic for people who genuinely enjoyed the AP assassin, but Fizz is thematically my favorite champion and I was finally able to purchase him and enjoy him thoroughly as an AD bruisier. It was quite fun. Apples and oranges I guess, sorry you're not happy man.

MrGeoghagan1 votes

He has always been capable of being a fighter though, it isn't a new thing, it is just becoming popular due to the weakening of his assassin build. His original purpose was to be this ap assassin that is capable of being a fighter if you so choose. I have nothing against AD FIzz, but it's becoming popular for all the wrong reasons. His passive isn't his identity, it is something that helped with his early laning phase since he was a melee assassin. It helped him to do well with trades in the mid lane/farm without taking too much damage from the ranged auto attacks of a lot of other mid laners. He is the tidal trickster, that can be a nimble fighter. I actually like AD Fizz for certain match ups, but now it is becoming the primary build rather than an option that is viable depending on the opponent.

MeesterMoo2 votes

Someone actually carried my ranked game going ad fizz jungler

Chespin20132 votes

i gotta agree i dont want to have to build ad on fizz i loved him as a ap assasin sure he needed nerfs but seriously nerfing him to the extent he is right now makes me really sad what riot is doing first with fizz than warwick cuz lets face it the new jungle items were pretty strong on him and couldve been touched more than nerfing the shit out of a fine champ that just got lucky with the new jungle items now veiger and kassadin and azir are just nerfed beyond makes me sad what these last couple of patches have done to some of my fav champs

MrGeoghagan1 votes

I completely agree, especially with how WW was handled. He was never OP by his own merit, the new jungle and items just made it that way because he was one of the few that could actually handle the new jungle with his sustain as well as pairing much too well with new jungle items.

Robert Smith1 votes

The new Nerfs gave Birth to AD Fizz. Which is like old Fizz basically except he can push down towers now

Chespin20132 votes

it already existed the nerfs just made ap fizz shit now compared to ad which was before off meta now its meta since fizz himself is in a weird state of identity crisis of what role should he play

Robert Smith1 votes

The Ult gives 20% more to damage from fizz.AD or AP. The ult alone makes the AD worth it

Riilo1 votes

I see him as an assassin, despite his current fighter meta. Honestly though, I hated, despised even him as an assassin. He would one shot a carry, follow that up with a quick escape, then go back in in a couple seconds. I'm glad he has fallen out of a "must ban" position to me. I hope he stays like this, or worse, honestly.

IceKingChernobog2 votes

i guess you haven't experienced the abomination that is AD bruiser jungle fizz then. i rather have AP assassin fizz than what ever fizz is now.

SpongebobIsLife2 votes

that's what an assassin is defined as though. Someone who can get in, quickly kill the squishy, and then get out. And that was fizz.

Graidon1 votes

And what was his counterplay?

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

same thing as every other assassin. Sash, Banshees, Zhonyas all hard counter Fizz. You also have to realize that urchin strike was nerfed in a previous patch where you can dash or flash out of it. Making his whole kit, practically a skillshot reliant kit.

Graidon1 votes

lel, no.

Fizz ult's, w-q dash in, e out to safety.

What is the counter play?

In that entire exchange FIZZ has no weakness. There is no counterplay.

Not a counter to the damage, to his play.

SpongebobIsLife2 votes

you can dodge the shark. banshees blocks his q.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

item 3153 . There, now you deal a bonus 50 + 8% target's missing health + 8% target's current health PER HIT. Manage to land an ult on them first? It's 60 + 9.6% target's missing health + 9.6% target's current health per hit.

Fighter Fizz is a new form of horrible to play against, but at least he can't one-shot you. It takes at least 3 hits usually.

BluePolarizer1 votes

HUGE difference between 1 shot and 3 shots. Zed can 1 shot. Yi can 3 shot. They are pretty much untargettable for half the time, but the difference lies in the 1 shot vs. 3 shot - Yi is far more vulnerable to CC even if he builds Randuins/Mercs because Q+3 autos is 2 seconds while Zed's combo is 1 second with a built in escape.

Kitten of Evil2 votes

Oh, I thought we were talking about Fizz...

mikemil2231 votes

are they planning on changing fizz so he cant just get botrk, devourer, and tank items and still 3 hit squishies as well as take on most tanks to where they have no chance against him? yes u can cc him and focus him but thats still focusing a tank and he can e and dodge the cc if timed right. then just wreck the squishies in the back instantly. not like hes unstoppable but hes pretty op and prolly needs to do something about his w botrk mix

41314356_DEL1 votes

Uhh fizz is still strong. He's moved towards an ad bruiser and does well in the top lane and the jungle. He does ridiculous damage with his w active.

MrGeoghagan1 votes

I believe most everyone agrees AD bruiser Fizz is strong, but that's not quite what I was referring to in my post. It's that the AD build for Fizz is becoming very prevalent due to how weak AP Fizz has become in comparison. Fizz was created as an assassin who could also be played as a viable fighter, but now the fighter has become his main role, with assassin being meh.

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