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NewKndredSkinPls··27 votes·2,969 views

Now, I noticed in the latest PBE patch that nothing was done to Yasuo. I want someone to talk to me personally, like add me on league and stuff, and tell me what the fuck is going on in the minds of the balancing team that you think Yasuo is a fair and balanced pick right now. Not only was he a bit fucking ridiculous before, but with the adc patch, he has many more build paths and new masteries that make him even stronger. A Yasuo with bloodthirster and Warlord's Bloodlust is almost unkillable most of the time. Thunderlord's Decree is also very strong and adds a lot of burst. Why would you ever even allow double crit chance to exist in the first place. I need 4 items to get 100% without runes or masteries but Yasuo needs 2. What a lot of people say is that you need to harass him a lot before he hits 6 because he is melee and all but the thing is, his entire kit is built to not get hit by poke. He literally makes every single skillshot champion in League of legends irrelevant. I really wish I could play Ziggs, ap Ezreal and other skillshot champs nowadays but he sorta just makes everything I do worthless. And there is Yasuo in almost every game I play it feels like. Some may argue to ban him but when playing with friends we just like to play teambuilder together. And there are a lot of other strong picks we would want to ban as well so Yasuo wouldn't always get in there.

 So let's talk about his kit. He has a windwall that grows almost as wide as the lane. This blocks any sort of skillshot or airborne ability you can think of. Does it actually make sense that Azir's ultimate is blocked by his windwall. Does it really make sense that Rumble's ultimate is completely decimated as well. A lot of ultimates in the game are skillshots because of how strong they are so you need to at least be able to dodge. But Yasuo prevents all of them. They're just gone. Even then say he doesn't have his windwall up so its your chance to poke. Oh wait, he has a windshield passive that prevents him from taking much damage at all on top of his E that makes it really easy to dodge skillshots as well. These usually allow Yasuo to kill enough time for his windwall to be up again so then even after the minimal poke you got on him, if you tried to go in on him afterwards, windwall is probably up. If his windwall is not up, he can just play safe for like 5 seconds and then he'll probably have it up along with his passive. You can try to push him out of the lane and kill all the minions maybe rush his tower down. Oh wait, his windwall will block all your waveclear and if he doesn't feel like blocking the wave clear, he windwalls the turret so you can't even auto attack it. You can argue that his ult is hard to land but you know that is a straight up lie. He doesn't need to land a skillshot most of the time anyway. He can literally just E, Q, R you and there's nothing you can do because its a for sure knock up. Even if not in melee range his tornado has a decent amount of range so its not exactly the hardest ability to land. Also his tornado crits too. On top of that he can ult off of any little itty bitty piece of displacement in the game. He can ult off of Quinn E. Even if the Yasuo player is completely awful, if he has a teammate with any sort of displacement, all he has to do is press r which will cc the enemies further and deal a good amount of damage. 

This is really out of hand. Most of Yasuo's counters are top lane champions, but he goes mid lane a majority of the time. He counters like 90% of his mid match ups unless someone decides to take a top laner down there. Like come on, think about how stubborn League of Legends players are. Yasuo mains are now admitting how broken their champion is. I don't know about the general populace, but I pretty much NEVER see someone say their main is overpowered because they are in denial about how freelo the champion is. But Yasuo has reached a point where even the mains sit there and look at him like "Yeah dude this champion is completely broken." I get honestly shocked every time this happens. This champion has gotten to that point. Its gotten to the point where no matter how many videos I see, I haven't seen an impressive Yasuo play in months because even while looking flashy, the champion is too brainless. Its just ridiculous how I can't even appreciate a good play on him because I know how easy he is to play. I'm sick of seeing first time Yasuo's dominate every lane almost because of how simple he is. I haven't played Yasuo a lot, but the few games I have, I rarely lost lane. The only time I lost was my first time I think and that was just a rough game because I never played AD melee champs. I recently saw my friend playing _Yasuo with 500 ping_ and he got a _quadra kill_ just spamming his keyboard as everyone teleported around. _My friend had no idea what was going on_, but he could just, play Yasuo, and everything was going to be okay. Because he's **Yasuo**. Argue that I don't know what I'm talking about all you want because I'm not a Yasuo main, but I think we all have played against Yasuo enough to know every single detail of that damn champion.

What I'm asking is: Do something about this. Anything that isn't a buff. Just balance the game properly for once. You know, just to mix things up a bit.

86 Comments

NewKndredSkinPls9 votes

Good points dude I agree.

TurquoiseYoshi15 votes

Did you agree with your own post?

NewKndredSkinPls4 votes

Maybe

HeadHonchkrow3 votes

Twitch Sneaky, sneaky!

EcchiOtakuTM8 votes

If you actually played yasuo you can easily shut him down I guess

Me and other various yasuo mains do admit warlord bloodlust made him too strong but with the nerf he's fine now especially since shiv is getting an scaling nerf bringing yasuo down in power.

He's still easy to shutdown

NewKndredSkinPls5 votes

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If you actually played yasuo you can easily shut him down I guess

Me and other various yasuo mains do admit warlord bloodlust made him too strong but with the nerf he's fine now especially since shiv is getting an scaling nerf bringing yasuo down in power.

He's still easy to shutdown

You realize that shiv isn't the only attack speed crit item right? Also if you can just tell me how to shut him down then I'd be thrilled because all you've said is "He's still easy to shutdown." How? I am aware he has a small pool of counters if thats what you're talking about so of course they can shut him down but I don't want to have to play those counters 100% of the time since we're currently in the "Yasuo every game" meta. And I did mention I have actually played Yasuo. Give it another read then get back to me. Of course he's not going to win lane 100% of the time or anything and he doesn't win every match up but any competent Yasuo should win a very large majority of the time.

EcchiOtakuTM2 votes

Shiv had a ridiculous amount of damage for a waveclear item, and he's easy to shutdown for anyone i used vs him (Top:darius/fiora/maokai, Mid: anivia, lux, viktor, and talon) I just harass him with a basic when ranged before using a skill and slowly whittle him down and zone him out of lane if he dies it's a bonus but trying to force a kill instead of whittling him and waiting for a jungler is why most players have a problem vs yasuo.

NewKndredSkinPls5 votes

Didn't I tell you to read it again? Please read it again. Also shiv is being nerfed a bit but its still I think stronger than the season 5 shiv. I said he has a small pool of counters, most of which are top, but not all. And I already explained the windwall, windshield passive thing. You can't harass him with basics. Read the thread dude. Seriously.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

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Didn't I tell you to read it again? Please read it again. Also shiv is being nerfed a bit but its still I think stronger than the season 5 shiv.

You're a moron. Shiv is now weaker than current Shiv until level fucking 18.

NewKndredSkinPls6 votes

I mean I said "I think". Calm down dude. Still ends up stronger right? Of course I should expect anger and bias from a guy with 250k in Yasuo.

Slamurai Jack3 votes

No, it's weaker, and I am angry because people keep wanting to gut my champion when he's already weaker than he was in 5.21. Yes, he gets 100% crit with Shiv and Cloak. It doesn't fucking matter because Shiv is a joke item now and theres so much less AD in the game that the extra crit doesn't matter. 5.21 Yasuo with Shiv IE was way stronger than 5.23 Yasuo will be with the same items, and people still want more nerfs. Yes, I'm tired of the fact that my main, which has a 48% winrate in diamond at this moment, is constantly attacked while I have to listen to a fucking Swain main try to tell me that his 54% winrate champ shouldn't even be looked at.

NewKndredSkinPls3 votes

Well you have to learn to not lash out because your favorite champion is fucking broken and is in desperate need of balancing. You ever wonder why people complain about Yasuo? I heard on the streets that its because he's too strong! WOW! What a concept! People ask for nerfs for obscenely strong champions? Who would have thought. Also I'm confused about your "less AD" thing. Have you seen Youmus? Early items have a bit less AD to be more affordable but other items got some AD buffs. Swain is really stupid though. No one plays him because he's so damn boring which is why no one looks at him. At least I don't see him ever, although I know he's a bit strong right now. This ain't a Swain thread though.

NewKndredSkinPls3 votes

Also one more point. "Weaker" doesn't mean balanced.

Slamurai Jack5 votes

People complain about Yasuo because they suck, feed him, and then get 1v5ed by him once he has 20 kills. That's not my fucking fault. I don't lose against Yasuo's because I know what Yasuo does. Yasuo isn't OP when he's played against me, and that means ya'll need to get good, not that he needs to be nerfed.

NewKndredSkinPls4 votes

Yes you're totally right. Every single person in league of legends sucks except you because you're the perfect player. Right. Totally viable argument.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Certainly a better argument than that we should nerf every champions that noobs like to cry about. Yasuo has a 48% winrate in Diamond for a reason, and the reason is because he's not that good. Winning with Yasuo against good players is already a struggle, and he shouldn't be nerfed just because a bunch of baddies in Bronze, Silver, and Gold refuse to learn how to deal with him.

NewKndredSkinPls5 votes

You're entire argument is still "everyone sucks I am the greatest league of legends player of all time I am the ultimate." And did I say every champion? No? I said nerf Yasuo.

Slamurai Jack3 votes

My argument is that Yasuo is balanced in high elo where actual good players play and he shouldn't be nerfed because low elo scrubs think he's OP. If you still think Yasuo is OP after Warlords was nerfed, you're just bad. Learn to get better instead of blaming the game.

NewKndredSkinPls4 votes

Goddamn you are very clearly extremely toxic. But I don't recall the last time I saw Yasuo do poorly in LCS and they say they balance for competitive play. But you still have literally no real argument other than you being the greatest.

Lucifer6 votes

Yasuo's win rate jumps to 58% in plat-master tier when he maxes e :') #themoreyouknow

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Those stats are largely from before Warlords was hotfixed, but good try anyway.

Lucifer3 votes

Actually, it isn't. Champion.gg has the most up to date statistics on him post Warlord fix.

Additionally, when Yasuo is smart enough to go 18/0/12 instead of 18/12/0, he further augments his win percentage by a large margin. (Also note the huge difference Lifesteal runes makes)

It seems that many people are playing Yasuo and don't know how to build / set him up properly, and just want to play him because he's "OP" at the moment. This is dragging his overall win percentage down, but experienced Yasuo players remain in the high 50% range.

Lucifer1 votes

Actually, this is not true. If you go to Lolking and look at Yasuo's graphs at Diamond+, it has him hovering around 50% for weeks now. This is inaccurate, and it doesn't show how well he's actually performing at all. Champion.gg uses Riot's API to update their statistics fairly frequently (though not daily), and is FAR FAR more accurate than lolking is.

Lucifer1 votes

Did you even read my post? You're pulling overall data, not data from people who actually know how to use the champion correctly. This is a similar instance that Thresh suffers from. He's picked at such a high frequency, that his overall winrate is mediocre. However, Thresh players that play him often and build him optimally are significantly stronger and have a much higher winrate. There's a lot of people picking Yasuo in Diamond+ because he's pick/ban. Meaning if you don't pick him/ban him, it's ass to play against him. This leads to skewed statistics from people who are not playing him well. Another example of this is Kassadin in seasons 2-3 who averaged a 70-98% ban rate, but only a 48% win rate averaged.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Ok name a mid champ who you think yasuo completely shuts down and I'll tell you how you win as that champ

It's the players fault if they still feel yasuo is op cause he's balanced since losing warlord and the shiv nerf. End of story.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Don't bother. These kids are convinced that Yasuo is unbeatable in lane. And they're going to get him gutted just like they did last year.

Akenero1 votes

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You realize that shiv isn't the only attack speed crit item right? Also if you can just tell me how to shut him down then I'd be thrilled because all you've said is "He's still easy to shutdown." How? I am aware he has a small pool of counters if thats what you're talking about so of course they can shut him down but I don't want to have to play those counters 100% of the time since we're currently in the "Yasuo every game" meta. And I did mention I have actually played Yasuo. Give it another read then get back to me. Of course he's not going to win lane 100% of the time or anything and he doesn't win every match up but any competent Yasuo should win a very large majority of the time.

Yas is heavily screwed by high mobility melee champions, and by abilities with odd targeting like vel q or diana q

But the BEST way to deal with him is orianna :either stop the ball in its tracks with wall and get pummeled by her passive; or have her out-maneuver you with the ball's long leash range

Fowus12 votes

how is someone with a dash that has practically no cd, an ability that blocks all projectiles, and a shield that's up for about half the game easy to shut down

TehNACHO2 votes

Well for a start, any non projectile user that stat checks him, aka the top laners that the OP briefly mentions.

Granted, stubborn League players and all that. Nobody appreciates the Garen mid.

Junkο1 votes

You do realize every champion in the game sounds broken if you only list the positives?

How about the negatives: -Yasuo Q is only a spell every 3 uses in a row, otherwise it's just an autoattack that crits for LESS than his autoattacks (no really it crits for 25% less damage instead of only 10%) -Ult has a requirement to use -Long cooldown on W -Long cooldown on individual E use -None of his spells except for his ult actually deal meaningful damage (his Q is an AA so i'm not counting it) -He is countered by 3 types of soft CC, while most other carries are only countered by hard CC

Caffeinerratic6 votes

I as a Certified Yasuo Main can safely say that Yes Yasuo is the Most Balance of All champion. Also Darius is fine and there is nothing wrong in this world

TheCinnaman4 votes

As a Darius main, I can tell you that Darius is very Balanced. There's nothing that needs to be changed of his. I also believe the Juggernaut updates along with Fiora really improved the game. I cant wait for this season! I love Yasuo in every game!

Teemo or Feedmo1 votes

wheres the kappa?

Lucifer5 votes

I'd love to know why his tornado is 2x faster than Janna's, and doesn't require a charge to do his damage. #balance.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

Yasuo is balanced and has one of the most well designed kits in the game. All of you people on this section of boards think he's overpowered because you're all bad at this game.

NewKndredSkinPls8 votes

You make a compelling argument my dude. You really brought up a lot of points and facts that now change the way I see Yasuo. I see that you also have over 140k on Yasuo, but I'm sure thats just a coincidence that the only people who have disagreed thus far all have over 100k on Yasuo. PS: I agree, we do need more sexy champions and skins.

Akali is SO HOT4 votes

I've explained it a million times in a million different threads and I'm not bothering with doing it again. Having 140k on Yasuo just shows that I know a hell of a lot more about him than most people on G&B and you having played him little to none proves that you know nothing about him. All of you people would rather QQ because you fed him than get better at the game. I'm sorry but you people just need to git gud lol.

NewKndredSkinPls4 votes

So what you're saying is you can't explain it huh..... Thats weird......

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Go through my profile history if you want an explanation

NewKndredSkinPls5 votes

All I have seen so far is and your boner for a mediocre looking champion and you making large things that say "outplayed" or "XD" Also you contradict yourself a lot and say "weaknesses" without outlining one weakness. And you say QQ too much. Come up with something I didn't already didn't outline in the thread then I'd be proud of you. You once said "Squishy" but most Yasuo's I see get 2 or 1 defensive items so it doesn't really matter. Everything I read from you feels like really heavy bias. Not even just stuff about only Yasuo. You're clearly extremely toxic too.

Caffeinerratic4 votes

'mediocre' INSULTED A MANS WAIFU HOHOO

Caffeinerratic4 votes

is there a problem with the opinions in this game cause im just spilling them all over myself

Mr Fidori1 votes

but I'm sure thats just a coincidence that the only people who have disagreed thus far all have over 100k on Yasuo.

I've never played Yasuo in my life, and I've rarely had trouble playing against him.

Martyrofsand5 votes

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Yasuo is balanced and has one of the most well designed kits in the game. All of you people on this section of boards think he's overpowered because you're all bad at this game.

Yes his kit only allows for 1v5 pentakills at lower ranks and at the highest levels of play, IE the pros, 1v4s with him killing 2 people before finally dieing.

Totally balanced.

GTFO of here with this stupidity.

Fowus1 votes

lol

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

tfw your justification is using 2 pros as an example and link 2 pentakill videos

Martyrofsand3 votes

When my initial statement is....

Yes his kit only allows for 1v5 pentakills at lower ranks and at the highest levels of play, IE the pros, 1v4s with him killing 2 people before finally dieing.

It kinda make sense to use video evidence to support such a claim...it's what happens when facts support you, but I understand you being unfamiliar with that circumstance.

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