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Spellthiefs Needs a New Passive

Nelco··3 votes·2,416 views

Okay, so be a support main that buys the new 400 gold spellthiefs, it's 9 minutes into the game, you have 400 stacks on it and your ADC goes AFK (which is common in this meta) forcing you to lane alone. And CS alone. The passive on it is a stacking 12 second pause on the passive quest stacks for every cs you take, meaning your only options to get a ward item for your team is to:

  1. not cs and let minions and the enemy take your tower while you try to poke them down

  2. your jungler stops jungling and you support him

  3. you sell your support item and start re-stacking one of the other two support items, putting you really far behind

One of two changes should be made. My ideas were to either make the 12 seconds non-stacking so you don't have a 70 second pause stacked on each wave, so just a resetting 12 second timer, or in the event a player disconnects during a 5v5 the 12 second debuff goes away entirely. Why kick a 4v5 team while they're down anyway? Heck, the passive as it is during a 5v5 is dumb anyway. It punishes a support for last hitting minions under tower while they wait for their ADC to return back to lane. Even when it was 350 gold it was still a risk to buy, because at least one player DC's during any given match nowadays it seems, odds are it is gonna be your ADC.

Or maybe I'm dumb, let me know what you think. Either way I've stopped playing support this season. It is just not what it used to be.

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18 Comments

MrFawknSunshine2 votes

the passive is set up that way cuz it was being abused by mid laners and ap junglers. there is a reason for everything

and if you lose your adc to a 4 vs 5 it dont matter not like you have more then a 5% chance to win anyways. if this is the case you stop building spell thief and build actual ap items. and FF and report.

you shouldnt change an item cuz someone afked once n a while

Nelco1 votes

But if there is a 12 second resetting timer instead of a stacking one, when is the mid laner/jungler gonna find the time to use the item to get gold when its not on cooldown? Or hell, give it cap vs having to wait an infinite amount of time. 30 second resetting timer max, so that way a support isn't punished as hard for last hitting under tower while they wait for their laner to come back. A mid laner/jungler wouldn't be able to abuse it. A change in this item could put a little more hope in a 4v5.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

your not punished. you are still getting gold for last hitting. and if you reach the quest completion that timer of slowing gold generation and the bonus on hit gold goes away.

why should you get 2 gold per 10 plus the 3 charges of extra damage and gold on hit while you last hit and farm cs? a canon minion is worth alot more then the gold income you would occur if the passives werent timed out.

Nelco1 votes

But vision in most cases is worth a lot more than gold. If you can't finish your quest, you can't get vision. So your only option is to not reset the wave for your adc.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

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But vision in most cases is worth a lot more than gold. If you can't finish your quest, you can't get vision. So your only option is to not reset the wave for your adc.

yet you get trinkets to use .and u can place a pink ward so you can have 3 wards on map , even with the support item quest you can only place 3 wards

Nelco1 votes

but that means you have to keep ward trinket vs a enemy support with a sweeper trinket who clears your 2 wards quicker than you can put them down.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

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but that means you have to keep ward trinket vs a enemy support with a sweeper trinket who clears your 2 wards quicker than you can put them down.

if you are behind there is gonna always be a reason why the enemy is ahead. all you are trying to do is eliminate their advantage of being ahead. if you are behind cuz of whatever reason you should lose the game. you should get things to buff you to even it out if a 4 vs 5 or whatever.

Wizard Blaze2 votes

The passive of that item made me shift to go buy item 3301 . I find it way better than item 3303

Nelco1 votes

Same. I only play relic shield supports now if I get filled, but I would go ancient coin over spellthiefs any day.

Wizard Blaze2 votes

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Same. I only play relic shield supports now if I get filled, but I would go ancient coin over spellthiefs any day.

atm even relic support are taking coin. because in mid game and late game your ally will fast wave clear and forgetting you have a stack for relic. just imagine taking that canon minion without him leaving it for you.

Coin is also safest sort of income. you become passive only attack when needed and in good opportunity. while if you take spell thief oh boy oh boy do i dare to come near jhin or dravin to proc it.

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

I dont think balancing the game around bronze V and AFK players is a good idea. AFK is an autoloss in any remotely serious game already.

Nelco1 votes

AFK's aren't a loss in silver and below. Hell, there are always outlying games no matter the rank. Even if we're not gonna balance around adding hope to a 4v5 it still sucks to not be able to last hit minions under tower while your laner is not in lane like the other 2 items allow you to do.

4nswer1 votes

let’s not balance around afk’s

Nelco1 votes

why not? And fine, lets balance around the fact that a support should not be punished for last hitting under turret while they wait for their laner to come back. The other two items don't punish you for it.

MrFawknSunshine1 votes

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why not? And fine, lets balance around the fact that a support should not be punished for last hitting under turret while they wait for their laner to come back. The other two items don't punish you for it.

well relic shield cant proc the execute and gold share if it dont have charges and if an ally isnt in range. coin dont always drop coins of gold or mana its random and rpg

however spell thief gives 3 charges of BONUS DAMAGE plus AP , plus 3 charges of on hit gold gen plus gold per 2nd. and you dont have to have an ally around to proc it

Nelco1 votes

So maybe we make it to where you DO have to have an ally around to proc it. That would make sense. It would give a support another reason not to go off alone and die. Maybe the pause timer only stacks when your laner is near by and you cs, BUT it only procs its passive when you have an ally near by. Then it would be useless to a mid laner and jungler and still allow a support to cs alone before 15 minutes if they had to.

Wolfalisk3181 votes

I just want the Quest to be complete-able in a reasonable amount of time if we lose lane. It's a "high-risk" item in that if I don't do well early, I don't get my wards until 16-18 minutes into the game. Meanwhile the other GP10 items are much less risk.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Except it generally has a much higher reward. A Morgana or Zyra will finish their quest way faster than any other user (especially relic which is REQUIRED to get basically every cannon minion) and has the easiest to obtain income later on since you aren't going to be touching a lot of waves later on since a solo laner is going to catch side lanes and when seiging/being seiged you aren't going to be able to safely touch waves.

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