My issues with Taliyah

Jrue Wroblewski·Oct 26, 2016·1 votes·775 views

Playing as a Morgana against a Taliyah just a minute ago. Here are my takes. Early Game: It seems like Taliyah could cast her spells freely and farm without ever having to worry about mana, where as me, I lay down two to four tormented soils and im out of mana. My black shield failed to block her knockup on her W twice in the match(PLEASE FIX) Also, how come Morgana's Q and W cooldowns are both locked at 11 and 10 secs respectively, where as Taliyah's q scales all the way down to THREE FUCKING SECONDS, her knock up scales down with skill level, and so does her massive aoe slow. So what gives riot? I'm really tired of playing unbalanced matchups vs new champs. This is coming from a player playing since Season 2, and this continuously happening is pushing me further and further away from this game.

PS Im also tired of Morgana's black shield not blocking Tryndamere's chicken slow.

8 Comments

TheGrand547Oct 26, 20162 votes

I agree 3 seconds is a bit short cooldown for her q, but it doesn't have a 3 second root attached to it.

Jrue WroblewskiOct 26, 20161 votes

im not asking for the root to be knocked down to a 3 sec cd. my point is at mid game, i have cds about 10 seconds on my spells. i get to lay down my q and w then start positioning myself. at this point in the game, taliyah could q 3 times, dropping 15 of her bolts down. on top of almost getting a second knock up down. just too much spam. i have a problem with her mid/lategame cooldowns as well as Ekkos.

MuseTablotOct 27, 20162 votes

So, taliyah can freely cast her q if she is in worked ground but it will only fire one shot. Her lanning phase is absolute shit and it is extremely hard for her to wave clear after the nerfs with out using up all her mana. If you are wondering why her lanning phase is shit it is because she gets punished for landing her w e combo. The combo does little to no damage now and due to the q not being able to wave clear she cant follow up with her q as long as minions are around. So now the enemy is close to taliyah with all of thier cool downs up and taliyah cant do anything. Due to this she can no longer roam a lot which her passive and ult soley do. While mid late game her q goes on a short cool down, she is limited by the worked ground and by the fact that she is extremely weak early game and her damage falls off drastically late game.

DarkRitualOct 26, 20161 votes

Not all champs have cooldowns change with abilities. Some go up. Some go down, some never change.

Asking for blue buffs will help the matchup a lot. A second Doran's Ring on an early back isn't terrible either.

pandorahearts330Oct 27, 20161 votes

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Not all champs have cooldowns change with abilities. Some go up. Some go down, some never change.

Asking for blue buffs will help the matchup a lot. A second Doran's Ring on an early back isn't terrible either.

What champs have cooldowns that go's up?

DarkRitualOct 27, 20161 votes

Actually, not sure I was right on that, looking back on it. Not sure what I was thinking either.

BoulderoxOct 27, 20161 votes

one your are comparing a support/mage to a mage. Morgana's power is the ability to lock down a target forever and deny cc for a target, while having aoe ult and soil that is nothing to sneeze at.

Taliyah's morgana root is her W, and is shorter and honestly shit without her E. Her Q is really short, but after riot decided instead of giving her SCALING minion damage 10/20/30/40/50% and fixing the lvl 1 caster minion clear, nah, just remove it entirely and nerf her, fuck back to release 33% would have worked. But instead hit her super hard and fucked her over, and they had to buff her somewhere, and they don't want her e to ever be better than q and seeing as the E was nerfed IN THAT SAME PATCH AS THE MINION DAMAGE AMP WAS DELETED!!! and w is not supposed to be good alone, so q it is. and they would never allow taliyah to have a passive bonus on her passive and ult that are entirely utility... why Yasuo COUGH would TahmKench COUGH they Kindred do COUGH Ekko that.

Asura GonzaOct 27, 20161 votes

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Playing as a Morgana against a Taliyah just a minute ago. Here are my takes. Early Game: It seems like Taliyah could cast her spells freely and farm without ever having to worry about mana, where as me, I lay down two to four tormented soils and im out of mana. My black shield failed to block her knockup on her W twice in the match(PLEASE FIX) Also, how come Morgana's Q and W cooldowns are both locked at 11 and 10 secs respectively, where as Taliyah's q scales all the way down to THREE FUCKING SECONDS, her knock up scales down with skill level, and so does her massive aoe slow. So what gives riot? I'm really tired of playing unbalanced matchups vs new champs. This is coming from a player playing since Season 2, and this continuously happening is pushing me further and further away from this game.

PS Im also tired of Morgana's black shield not blocking Tryndamere's chicken slow.

? She is mana intensive outside of her worked ground Q wich does flimsy damage and gets blocked by minions. One snare and she goes pops. Her early game is her weakest aspect. After she gets rylais she turns intoa differet thing.

But before that, she should not be an issue in lane unless you get constantly caught in her W E combo..which also draiins a lot of her mana.

if anything, she needs some QoL sensible buffs after she was left unchanged with all the nerf she deservedly got.