AP Assassin Fizz Sucks Rn

53845256DEL1·Aug 12, 2016·3 votes·883 views

Since his e cooldown is so high, he's not the same slippery mofo I've Learned to play

13 Comments

NotCounterAug 12, 20162 votes

I don't even understand why it got nerfed... their reasoning was to help kill tank builds but he builds max CDR on tank builds as well does he not?

WoonStruckAug 12, 20162 votes

The reasoning wasn't to help kill tank builds. It was to kill Fizz in general, who was considered strong with either build.

He'd get base damage nerfs and AP ratio buffs if they just wanted to kill tank builds.

E has an insane amount of power in it. The CD nerf was very justified.

redfeenixAug 12, 20162 votes

Fizz is really strong, thats why he got gutted (like a fish).

But anyways, I believe he is being targeted during the assassin rework. So maybe they'll make a way to make both assassin and bruiser and tank fizz viable and BALANCED.

Like jeez its great people are finding new builds for this old champ, but cmon at least let the off meta build be balanced

PennsAug 12, 20162 votes

Ap Fizz was ok-maybe strong but not op. The only thing that needed a nerf was tank Fizz, but ap buildss got nerfed just as hard sadly.

WoonStruckAug 12, 20161 votes

AP Fizz was really strong. The laning match-ups that were in the meta were just horrible for him. If you got past that, AP was much better than tank, even.

Fizz's tank build is just about as gimmicky as Akali's. Neither were consistent or amazing in any way because they lack high sustain, shields, or mitigation.

Evasive tools+stickiness don't make a tank build shine. Shields/high sustain and base damage do. IBG gives you stickiness for free.

PennsAug 12, 20161 votes

Nah Im pretty sure tank Fizz with fervor was way better than ap, thats why he got nerfed in the first place. But regardless, hes kinda weak atm and probably needs some type of buff.

WoonStruckAug 13, 20161 votes

If tank Fizz were the issue, they just would have nerfed base damages and increased scaling.

They thought his E had too low of a CD considering what it offered, and that applied to AP builds as well, hence the nerfs.

PennsAug 13, 20161 votes

It kind of was the issue tho, most people said tank Fizz is broken but ap Fizz has weaknesses and probably shouldnt get nerfed that hard.

WoonStruckAug 13, 20161 votes

AP Fizz did have more weaknesses, but pretty much everyone agreed that the extremely low CD on E, given that 40% CDR was standard, mitigated those weaknesses far too greatly.

Both needed adjustment. Tank needed more, hence the W nerf as well.

PennsAug 13, 20161 votes

Many people always agreed that Fizz should get nerfed, and they are still complaining because his E still exists. Fizz gets stomped in teamfights, cant really touch tanks, has no-bad wave clear, no utility or sustain, high mana costs, he is melee, cant do anything if you freeze, cant do anything if you push hard,... A lower E cooldown barely mitigates any of those..

WoonStruckAug 14, 20161 votes

Most champions can't do much if you freeze.

Fizz has fine waveclear if you aren't just expecting to instant-clear waves with just E, no other interaction. He just has a trade-off in having to use his E. More champions need to be like this.

The issue is that EVERYTHING is loaded into his E, so if that's up, it literally turns fights. The higher CD was necessary, considering that.

What you should be arguing is that Fizz needs a minor rework to readjust where the power in his kit lies.