Yuumi's laning phase is awfully weak, even more so after support item changes

AlwaysStun··10 votes·4,996 views

I get that Yuumi is supposed to be a scaling enchanter pick with early game as one of her weaknesses, but as of right now Yuumi struggles insanely hard to win lane 2v2. Due to the removal of the bonus damage on autos from Spellthiefs, Yuumi's laning is even weaker because she gets outtraded by every other enchanter or mage support to the point where it's more efficient to avoid detaching at all except for getting the shield from time to time or to help with some tiny dps at all ins.

Before, Yuumi was able to apply a bunch of pressure onto the enemy adc with constantly poking with autos and then W-ing back to the allied ad but now even that is just not practical anymore. Her laning phase just feels like a 'hugging tower to stay alive'-simulator.

With 9.23, Yuumi's win rate has hit a new low of 37%. I really think she needs a little buff onto her passive, like maybe giving her the bonus mana back, so she can't get dominated in lane so easily and transition into midgame more healthily. Yuumi also suffered from the gutting of Presence of Mind and the indirect Cut Down nerf, since Spellthiefs grants extra health now.

33 Comments

ReWeebdown8 votes

deserved

Emperør Rhaast6 votes

No champion deserves to be thrown in the gutter this badly. How would you feel if your main was decimated by item changes and then left to rot by Riot, no compensation buffs or anything?

ReWeebdown3 votes

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No champion deserves to be thrown in the gutter this badly. How would you feel if your main was decimated by item changes and then left to rot by Riot, no compensation buffs or anything?

If my main was as unfair and unfun to play against they'd deserve it ngl

Emperør Rhaast4 votes

Sorry, but how is Yuumi unfair? Unfun I can understand. Unfair, not really. Her Q is slow-moving with a terrible turn radius. Her E only heals for much after she buys Athenes, at which point you've got plenty of chances to buy Morellos or Executioner's Calling. Her ult only roots after you've been hit by at least 3 waves. And she has many hard counters botlane, a lot of which are currently meta. I think you need to learn how to play against her instead of just calling her "unfair".

ReWeebdown3 votes

She was overpowered, thats a stat. There was no way to play against her then. Like no matter what you did, she just had to q/ult, let the adc do th rest and you're basically dead. Like that champion was broken far too long. Idc if she's useless right now, her whole design is so fucking tilting to play against, broken or not. I don't care if i win any lane against her, her whole design is obnoxius, she doesnt need to be good or fed, she just needs one fed member in her team to be useful. It's so tilting to fuck her in lane just for her to attach to the fed aatrox and steamroll our team while jerking off.

Emperør Rhaast1 votes

I agree that post-hotfix yuumi was busted af and needed nerfs. And if there's a fed aatrox in the enemy team you should probably have long bought a grrievious wounds item. It basically destroys both aatrox and yuumi's goals.

NemeBro2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Emperør Rhaast,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=geXufoZs,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-11-25T12:58:15.947+0000)

No champion deserves to be thrown in the gutter this badly. How would you feel if your main was decimated by item changes and then left to rot by Riot, no compensation buffs or anything?

My main isn't a tenth as poorly-designed as Yuumi is. Even by the standards of enchanters, the most poorly-designed role, she's terrible.

Don't like it? Don't care. She gets what she deserves.

Emperør Rhaast3 votes

It's a very selfish way to look at things. For example, I think Ryze is an abysmally designed champion - his abnormal amount of reworks should speak for itself - but even I don't think he is deserving of being 2nd lowest winrate in the entire game, only behind Qiyana jungle which is an off-meta pick. On op.gg she's also second-lowest right behind Sylas, who is another champion decimated because of high-elo and proplay. We should be accounting for ALL players, not just "hurr durr i dont like play against this champ so it should be trashed and deleted hurr durr"

I can't stand playing against Yasuo, for instance. I believe his wind-wall is very poor design and has little counterplay. Do I beg and cry for it to be removed or for the champion to be gutted? No.

NemeBro1 votes

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It's a very selfish way to look at things. For example, I think Ryze is an abysmally designed champion - his abnormal amount of reworks should speak for itself - but even I don't think he is deserving of being 2nd lowest winrate in the entire game, only behind Qiyana jungle which is an off-meta pick. On op.gg she's also second-lowest right behind Sylas, who is another champion decimated because of high-elo and proplay. We should be accounting for ALL players, not just "hurr durr i dont like play against this champ so it should be trashed and deleted hurr durr"

I can't stand playing against Yasuo, for instance. I believe his wind-wall is very poor design and has little counterplay. Do I beg and cry for it to be removed or for the champion to be gutted? No.

Yeah but your hurt feelings toward Yasuo are just that, hurt feelings and nothing more.

Yuumi is actually game-warping at every level of play if allowed to be viable. As is Ryze, to be blunt. Ryze's design is straight bullshit and should not be allowed to be viable in its current form.

Emperør Rhaast7 votes

I'm a former Yuumi OTP. I started playing her less and less as she received more and more nerfs, and with the support item changes completely screwing her over I stopped playing her completely.

What really fucks her is the loss of mana regeneration on Spellthief's Edge. Yuumi's mana costs are INSANELY high. Her rank 1 Q costs somewhere in the region of 80 mana for barely any damage. Her rank 1 E is 40 mana. Yuumi's laning phase at the moment is nigh unplayable. She has something like a 25% winrate for the first 25 minutes of the game. She. Is. Garbage. She badly needs buffs.

Giving her back her mana upon passive proc could somewhat remedy how much she suffers from the removal of mana regen on the support item. Obviously her presence is huge when strong, so she shouldn't be overbuffed, but honestly she's unplayable right now. Her winrate should speak for itself. I was once a dedicated Yuumi main but there is no reason to choose her over Sona right now. If you ask me her design as a whole was a mistake. She is unfair to play against. I badly wanted a cat champion but to be frank Yuumi's unbalanced.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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I'm a former Yuumi OTP. I started playing her less and less as she received more and more nerfs, and with the support item changes completely screwing her over I stopped playing her completely.

What really fucks her is the loss of mana regeneration on Spellthief's Edge. Yuumi's mana costs are INSANELY high. Her rank 1 Q costs somewhere in the region of 80 mana for barely any damage. Her rank 1 E is 40 mana. Yuumi's laning phase at the moment is nigh unplayable. She has something like a 25% winrate for the first 25 minutes of the game. She. Is. Garbage. She badly needs buffs.

Giving her back her mana upon passive proc could somewhat remedy how much she suffers from the removal of mana regen on the support item. Obviously her presence is huge when strong, so she shouldn't be overbuffed, but honestly she's unplayable right now. Her winrate should speak for itself. I was once a dedicated Yuumi main but there is no reason to choose her over Sona right now. If you ask me her design as a whole was a mistake. She is unfair to play against. I badly wanted a cat champion but to be frank Yuumi's unbalanced.

 

Yuumi when strong is toxic.

 

But on the other hand...

I'd be fine with Yuumi getting buffs...** IF** the untargetable mechanic was changed from being complete untargetability to maybe something like

Yuumi cannot be targeted by Single target attacks and abilities while attached to an ally but AoE effects from items and AoE abilities from champions and epic monsters can still target her.

Things like

  • Runaan's Hurricane
  • Tiamat and it's upgrades
  • Luden's Echo
  • Hextech Protobelt

And AoE abilities from champions.

Also AoE damage from things like Baron and Dragon should still hit her.

So it gives Yuumi something else to be aware of rather than just sit on the most fed champion and E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E all game.

 

When I mean AOE abilities I mean abilities that hit multiple targets at once like Miss Fortune R, Sivir W, Malphite R.

NOT chain abilities like Lux Q or Bard Q

Like if Amumu catches her ADC while she's attached, She should also take the ult damage and the stun effect meaning she cant just jump targets the second the AD is caught.

Emperør Rhaast2 votes

The problem with that is, Yuumi is very, very, VERY squishy. AoE damage from an adc from things like runaan's, jinx's rockets, ezreal's ult will kill her very quickly and render her unable to attach to bruisers and tanks in some cases and make her very weak. I do agree her W needs some form of balancing - for instance perhaps she should be silenced when whoever she is attached to is hard-cc'ed.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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The problem with that is, Yuumi is very, very, VERY squishy. AoE damage from an adc from things like runaan's, jinx's rockets, ezreal's ult will kill her very quickly and render her unable to attach to bruisers and tanks in some cases and make her very weak. I do agree her W needs some form of balancing - for instance perhaps she should be silenced when whoever she is attached to is hard-cc'ed.

Thats why one of the compensation buffs would be a base hp buff to say 520 -530 from the current 480.

Last thing they need to be doing is lowering her cooldowns, increasing her damage or lowering her mana costs.

FURRY V26 votes

I am a single man.

I see Yuumi and buffing, I upvote.

GinoSoldier2 votes

Single indeed.

FURRY V22 votes

{quoted}

Single indeed.

Simple wouldn't be true.

Worst JG Wins1 votes

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I am a single man.

I see Yuumi and buffing, I upvote.

Keep your comments about your fetish off these boards KK thanks.

RegardsKitty6 votes

Who the fuck cares, that champion is the biggest mistake in the history of the game and shouldn't exist, yet people here defend her because "oMg ShE's CuTe!!!1"

Emperør Rhaast5 votes

Because it's unfair?

Believe it or not, there ARE Yuumi mains out there. Yuumi mains who are struggling because their champion is total dogshit, destroyed by multiple nerfs and item changes, and Riot won't do anything to make her at least slightly viable because "hurr durr people don't like to play against her"

I agree that her kit is unbalanced and would be better off not being in the game in the first place. But you're basically saying that she deserves to be totally trash in the meta JUST because you don't know how to play against her. She doesn't do much damage. She only gets decent healing after about 15 minutes, and Executioners Calling is an 800 gold item. It isn' fair to the mains of the champion to leave them completely destroyed just because people don't like playing against it.

RegardsKitty5 votes

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Because it's unfair?

Believe it or not, there ARE Yuumi mains out there. Yuumi mains who are struggling because their champion is total dogshit, destroyed by multiple nerfs and item changes, and Riot won't do anything to make her at least slightly viable because "hurr durr people don't like to play against her"

I agree that her kit is unbalanced and would be better off not being in the game in the first place. But you're basically saying that she deserves to be totally trash in the meta JUST because you don't know how to play against her. She doesn't do much damage. She only gets decent healing after about 15 minutes, and Executioners Calling is an 800 gold item. It isn' fair to the mains of the champion to leave them completely destroyed just because people don't like playing against it.

Well then the Yuumi mains should realize that their champion is badly designed.

The Q is fine, the heal is fine. The fact that she can stay untargetable for over 90% of the game is not fine.

Ashe mage AD4 votes

[sg-syndra] Burn.

D357R0Y3R3 votes

good

Sylaelque3 votes

Riot took away her claws with removing her slow... [sg-janna]

NTrumpWeTrust3 votes

she already had mana problems before she got chalice now it's just abysmal. She's sitting at the lowest winrate in the game and has been there for awhile. Riot said theyre "looking at her" but let's be real, unless they nerf all the top supports, it's not going to matter.

Hayaishi22 votes

Bad design shouldnt be viable.

Noraver2 votes

I would be okay never seeing Yuumi again for the rest of my days.

She has one of the most unhealthy kits in League. All of the past few Supports do, but hers is arguably the worst. Designing a champion where you can make it literally impossible for the enemy to interact with you is bad design, period.

floo2 votes

People here say "deserved" and such, which I think isn't quite hitting the point. People who's main getting gutted aren't the problem. Riot, pushing through such an unhealthy design however, is. Permanent untargettability isn't a good concept, enforcing it by nerfing her only reason to detach and buffing her E doesn't help the problem. Make her W worthwhile, but make her more interactive by giving her passive more power and (depending) lower that of her Q, E.

dont trust girls2 votes

and guess what, yuumi is going to remain useless for a LONG LONG time because riot recognizes that TONS of people don't like seeing yuumi.

Emperør Rhaast3 votes

Tons of people dont like seeing Yasuo, or Riven, but they aren't gutted (mainly due to flashy LC$ plays, but I digress) like Yuumi is. She isn't fun to play against, but the same goes to COUNTLESS other champions, I'd likely be here for hours if I were to name every one of them. So why Yuumi in particular? At this point I wouldnt mind a full rework for her.

Daddy Ants1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Emperør Rhaast,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=geXufoZs,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2019-11-26T14:31:21.442+0000)

Tons of people dont like seeing Yasuo, or Riven, but they aren't gutted (mainly due to flashy LC$ plays, but I digress) like Yuumi is. She isn't fun to play against, but the same goes to COUNTLESS other champions, I'd likely be here for hours if I were to name every one of them. So why Yuumi in particular? At this point I wouldnt mind a full rework for her.

None of those champions maintained 100% pro presence though.

Troll Slaiyer1 votes

i think thats fair. super weak early for super strong late. she still obnoxious regardless of how strong she is cuz of attach mechanic. this is coming from someone who enjoys playing her.

Emperør Rhaast3 votes

She's underperforming even for a champ with a weak early. Games rarely reach late game now thanks to the ridiculous elder dragon buff. Her mana cost on Q is just too high to justify using it even if you hit it thanks to just how awful the damage is. That makes it extremely hard to finish your support item quest because there's little reason to detach apart from doing some dps in allins, since her passive shield is about 30 hp and is broken by one auto attack from a support.

ThunderCraft1 votes

sorry but i need to say this "strong bottom strong yummi"

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