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With the Zyra/Rylais change, will plants still apply Liandry's Torment?

dumbinternetkidz··10 votes·1,756 views

None of the other pets (Heimer turrets, unless ult and Malz voidlings) appear to apply Liandry's Torment. I'm sure each pet is a quagmire of of spaghetti code pasta of rules and exceptions since they all behave so differently, but just need some reassurance here that plant damage will still apply spell effects of other items.

Also curious as to why the area of effect bug was allowed to persist for such a long time? Was it ever actually intended for the Zyra plants to apply the 40% slow or just an actual bug marked for low priority?

Regardless of the reason, I hope this nerf, bug fix, or change doesn't hurt her mid game too much given how accustomed we've all become to surviving and kiting for the past six months with that 40% slow. Yet, you're reworking the item anyways so this hotfix just seems sort of moot. Sorry if I seem somewhat salty.

Cheers, Just another low ELO Zyra main

EDIT: In case you haven't read patch 6.19, under bug fixes:

Zyra's plants now properly count as pets, rather than area-of-effect abilities, for the slow effect of Rylai's Crystal Scepter

11 Comments

Oleandervine3 votes

Why did Zyra get balanced all these years around a "bug" and then when it becomes a problem, it's stripped away, but when Lee Sin and Katarina have been exploiting Ward Hopping Riot says it's an acceptable bug and calls it play options for their kits?

Zatyr2 votes

Feels like this is a way harder nerf then they're letting on, especially to hide it in bug fixes, so dirty. Feelssaltyman. Like, Rito, us Zyra mains, we ahhh, we need that 40% slow, like, to live sorta thing. This is pretty harsh, basically halving the effectiveness of my firstbuy/'the only reason I can survive post laning phase as a support Zyra' item, seems overkill.

Take this for instance; You're vs'ing almost any engager ever, you throw your snare, it hits...now it's done, oh god they're eating my face, run!!! kite!!! oh thats right rylai's only slows by 20% now and i can even make it 2 steps before they gap close and....oh god they're eating my face again! Oh WHY!!!!

Take the same example, but with 40% slow; Again, you're vs'ing an engager of almost any description, you throw your snare it hits...you spawn a plant with it to deal some damage, you know, 'coz ur snazzy like that'..and it's over...and they're coming over here....kite!!......run!!....throw plants!!....oh snap!...oh snap it's working!!....Mom look!!!....TURN!!! QUICK!!! oh snap there's two! Drop ult.....and....and....booooooooooom! DOUBLE KILL!!!!!

PlzRito, give us the 40% we need, not only to survive...BUT TO LIVE!!!

Maximum Morde2 votes

Build some actual defense then?

Abyssphere1 votes

The OP literally mentions building multiple defensive mage items in their post. You can't get much more defensive than that before you start calling your build "Tank Zyra", so get out of here with your thoughtless posts.

Maximum Morde2 votes

Where? I don't see any mention of defensive items at all.

Abyssphere1 votes

He mentions both Rylai's and Liandry's. They are two of the most prominent items for building bulk on mages. Asking him to build tankier than that (i.e. actually getting to the point of building items designed for full tanks) in place of the AP items he could build when Rylai's had a better slow is asking him to do something significantly worse than what he once could do, probably to the point where he's better off building the nerfed Rylai's. There is no viable mage barring Vladimir who has tank items in their build and that is because he scales off of his HP.

I don't know why you bothered even coming into the thread? You either posted such a lazy, useless suggestion because you wanted to be rude or because you have no idea how mages work. Either way you have no place here.

Zatyr1 votes

Builds defense...does no damage....is useless....loses, yeah man, ill get right on that.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Yep. Her huge area control is completely useless. And only being able to kill someone in 8 seconds instead of 4 is just crippling.

Zatyr2 votes

If it takes you 8 seconds, they're gone man. Especially considering the slow nerf, yeah they gone.

Zatyr1 votes

Okay, explain actual defense for me so we're on the same page. 'cause to me it sounds like you're saying "drop the void staff and grab a randuin's or a FH." Which would be deducting from my over-all damage which is almost the EXACT POINT of playing a mage support. Like, am i playing Soraka?? No im playing Zyra, damage is all i know. Damage, is my gg, so when we take the only real defensive utility we have (kiting), and we halve it, it's a pretty big loss.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Never drop the void staff. One of the most cost effective damage items in game. Maybe think about dropping pen boots for defense boots. Maybe don't bother with an FQC, turn into the eye instead and use that slot for a Randuins or Some other defensive item. Get creative. There are games where you want full blow up and there are games you want to be somewhat beefier. One or two tank items is not going to stop you from dealing serious damage to squishies. In fact you'll do more because you'll stay alive longer to do damage.

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