Just plyed against Int Sion
Its not fun at all
Its not fun at all
Its a Strat they need to remove. Make his Auto attacks do less damage to Turrets
Its a Strat they need to remove. Make his Auto attacks do less damage to Turrets
Oooooor you could treat it like any other goon push build and meet push with push.
What you people seem to fail to realize is that before he can be an effective Kamikaze sion needs to get
and
; Pick someone like Jax, poppy, Fiora, Irelia, Aatrox, hell even urgot works and just WRECK HIM.
All Goon push builds work the same. Sion is just slightly more effective because you people cant be bothered to deal with his easily counterable strategy. If sion actually feeds from early on and you cant snowball off that lead, if you cannot win a 4v5 because sion is always pushing, it is COMPLETELY and totally your fault. "You" being your team against the sion in this case.
Almost anybody with a root or stun tbh can counter him, when he dies root him and wait for the duration to end
Almost anybody with a root or stun tbh can counter him, when he dies root him and wait for the duration to end
Yeah but you gotta pick a champion like that.
People dont want to bother with a champion pool; they want to play their OTP champion and nothing else, and if they lose because something counters them... well clearly its the counters fault for daring to counter them?
Almost anybody with a root or stun tbh can counter him, when he dies root him and wait for the duration to end
That implies you're able to kill the tanky asf Sion before he gets in range to auto turrets otherwise a root isn't going to do shit to stop him from autoing turret and a stun isn't gonna last enough for two people to kill him before he procs demolish. All the Sion cares about is getting that demolish proc, any extra autos after that is a bonus. If you try to send more than two to stop him, then his team is just gonna their way with the rest of the map if they haven't already after you've had to send two.
Or just kill the minions. I honestly don't get how people are still losing to this. You literally just kill the minions and let him die to turret while he deals 66.66% reduced damage to it.
Kill minions, hit him once then let him suicide while you proxy the wave behind him then group so it takes him a ton more time to get back to the turret with a wave.
You get a free kill and a free 5v4 and the map pressure that comes along with it. If you honestly can't win a 5v4 with a bunch of free kills before 40 minutes you weren't gonna win in the first place.
You literally just kill the minions and let him die to turret while he deals 66.66% reduced damage to it.
So many people don't know this. It's really unfortunate.
I mean, just play any snowballing champion or hypercarry. Easy counter. Once had an inting Sion on my team against a
top. We had no chance.
Oooooor you could treat it like any other goon push build and meet push with push. What you people seem to fail to realize is that before he can be an effective Kamikaze sion needs to get
and
; Pick someone like Jax, poppy, Fiora, Irelia, Aatrox, hell even urgot works and just WRECK HIM.
All Goon push builds work the same. Sion is just slightly more effective because you people cant be bothered to deal with his easily counterable strategy. If sion actually feeds from early on and you cant snowball off that lead, if you cannot win a 4v5 because sion is always pushing, it is COMPLETELY and totally your fault. "You" being your team against the sion in this case.
not entirely accurate.
The core of the strategy is this. You split push whichever lane is open no matter what. you push and push until 2+ champs show up to stop you, then you leave and go to the other lane. If you get in any type of a hairy situation, you just ult out, and tp to the other lane and then the 2+ champs have to rotate all the way to the other side of the map. if you get killed, or you're about to destroy the tower, you simply suicide and use your passive for MASSIVE amounts of tower damage. The main problem with this, is if it's 1v1, he can just suicide and he'll easily take your tower before you can take his, even with him dying, with very few exceptions. champions like tryndamere can go blow for blow, but thats about it.
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not entirely accurate.
The core of the strategy is this. You split push whichever lane is open no matter what. you push and push until 2+ champs show up to stop you, then you leave and go to the other lane. If you get in any type of a hairy situation, you just ult out, and tp to the other lane and then the 2+ champs have to rotate all the way to the other side of the map. if you get killed, or you're about to destroy the tower, you simply suicide and use your passive for MASSIVE amounts of tower damage. The main problem with this, is if it's 1v1, he can just suicide and he'll easily take your tower before you can take his, even with him dying, with very few exceptions. champions like tryndamere can go blow for blow, but thats about it.
You described the basic goon push strategy, goon push is not "inting". "Inting sion" is an explicit strategy which involves Kamikaze tactics.
Many other champions can goon push, its not sion exclusive.
Oooooor you could treat it like any other goon push build and meet push with push. What you people seem to fail to realize is that before he can be an effective Kamikaze sion needs to get
and
; Pick someone like Jax, poppy, Fiora, Irelia, Aatrox, hell even urgot works and just WRECK HIM.
All Goon push builds work the same. Sion is just slightly more effective because you people cant be bothered to deal with his easily counterable strategy. If sion actually feeds from early on and you cant snowball off that lead, if you cannot win a 4v5 because sion is always pushing, it is COMPLETELY and totally your fault. "You" being your team against the sion in this case.
Stop defending this Bs strat. And it's not just items, it's his ability to proc demolisher while dead and the need to bring 2-3 or more to stop him EVERY SINGLE TIME HE CHARGES AT A TOWER.
Riot said they won't nerf it because it requires "Strategy"
Its a Strat they need to remove. Make his Auto attacks do less damage to Turrets
Downvoted by inting sions, phahaha this community is mentally dead.
No cuz it's a dumb solution that nerfs normal Sion as well.
Inting Sion already has clear counterplay for anyone who knows how backdoor protection works.
If there's an ap champ on your team, preferably you or the jungler, either can get a
and get ez stacks off the sion.
Maybe a Viktor Top into the Sion?

Maybe a Viktor Top into the Sion?
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One guy tried it didn't stop me. Just chill early don't let him klepto you and at one point viktor will be like an insect to a good sion player.
Hmmm... Then how about Fiora or Camille? He can’t stack health and resistances against %MaxHealth True Damage, and Hextech Ultimatum can stop his ultimate. As Duelists, they’re also splitpushers who can take on even super-tanks like Sion or Cho’Gath.
Other counters include Trundle and Singed, who are both anti-tank splitpushers, have kill threat in lane, and can run away with the game if fed. Singed also benefits from the AP from a Dark Seal.

If there's an ap champ on your team, preferably you or the jungler, either can get a
and get ez stacks off the sion.
More smarter sion inters won't just suicide w/o having 500-1500 hp stacks cuz it's pointless to die early only to do 150 bonus damage with demolish that's totall nonsense. Idk why everyone tries to copy that stupid sion d4 main that int's w/o thought process.
If there's an ap champ on your team, preferably you or the jungler, either can get a
and get ez stacks off the sion.
Are you saying my 6 mejais tristana build it out the window? I thought this was the age of IsItMeta!
I've played against Inting Sion and against split push Sion. Inting sion doesnt understand the strat and dies a whole ton more than they need to.
Split push Sion is about the same as any other imbalanced split pusher that ignores champs during their split pattern: ie. Tryn, yorick, etc. They generate so much pressure by themselves that you HAVE to respond with more than one person, even when you are ahead, and they do so much damage to the turret that most champs cannot kill them before they have taken the turret. Other split push champs do similar things, but kill you under turret if you try to clear wave. Yi, Jax, Fiora, etc. Whenever these champs become overbearing, they create a terrible experience for the other team.
What the strategy exactly ? Never met a int sion yet.
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What the strategy exactly ? Never met a int sion yet.
Playing splitpush tank Sion is the strategy. People are stupid and get tricked by clickbait youtube videos into believing imaginary things are happening.
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Playing splitpush tank Sion is the strategy. People are stupid and get tricked by clickbait youtube videos into believing imaginary things are happening.
Why call it Int sion tho ? He suicide to tower ?
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Why call it Int sion tho ? He suicide to tower ?
Yeah. After sion gets titanic and steraks he can kill a tower in about 3-5 deaths (assuming you proc demolish each time).
The build is a glorified goon push build though; you just mindlessly push for towers. Its marginally more effective on sion because of his passive, "inting sion" is just a click bait meme - if you ever actually win by inting its because the enemy team was already behind and couldnt capitalize on the 4v5.
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Why call it Int sion tho ? He suicide to tower ?
Build Titanic Hydra Sterak's Gage and Zz'rot Portal with Demolish rune and run at a tower and just yolo hit it with zz'rot hitting giving you more damage to tower since it counts as a minion and if you die just keep hitting tower til it dies then respawn go into a lane where the enemy top is not in and go after another tower and if the entire enemy team leaves you alone for a minute or two you can easily take 2 towers and inhibs np. I don't see it happen much but whenever I do see it it's just complete cancer because he kills towers within a few seconds and makes your top laner and possibly jungle have to keep dealing with him while the rest of the enemy team does things like Dragon or Baron or just simply pushes another lane and if you don't have a champion in top that can shred him quickly then it's the worst thing ever since he just has Titanic Sterak's Zz'rot and rest tank items and takes forever to kill while doing a million damage.
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Why call it Int sion tho ? He suicide to tower ?
No, you suicide to get demolish procs onto towers. But since towers are paper and can only take maybe 2 demolish procs total it's kinda strong
Unless you kill the minions and he deals reduced damage to it.
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Why call it Int sion tho ? He suicide to tower ?
Because split pushers don't care if they die if they can trade it for something better and brain damaged people fall for clickbait. Thread is filled with people who lose to legit inters not people actually doing the strat by the way. What most of them are describing is not the strat.
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Playing splitpush tank Sion is the strategy. People are stupid and get tricked by clickbait youtube videos into believing imaginary things are happening.
not gonna lie you really made me drop 10 iq from reading what you just said.
Is this the only joke you have? You lost like 100 iq from just posting this joke. Show your creativity dude
Is this the only joke you have? You lost like 100 iq from just posting this joke. Show your creativity dude
nice double post bro lmao
Same to you bro. Literally.
Same to you bro. Literally.
Never did but K
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What the strategy exactly ? Never met a int sion yet.
u go tower. deal damage to tower. enemy team kill you, but beacuse of passive you can steal do damage to tower.
What some of the others forgot to mention is that you also actively avoid getting kills/assists. You hard farm till titanic, then push over and over. Since you never gets kills/assists your gold doesn't reset and the enemies have to give up map pressure elsewhere to kill you, and only get some pocket change for doing so.
Ideally, if your team is on the same page, either Sion will take multiple towers, or the enemy team gives up pressure elsewhere for long enough for your team to... take a tower anyways. If you don't send enough people to CC lock Sion he will still half health the turret each time he does so. When Sion does die his team (ideally) back off and waveclears/pokes/wastes time.
Basically as long as you have a somewhat smart team and a good stall comp and the enemy isn't super far ahead/a strong engage comp it is a pretty safe and effective strategy, if somewhat slow. Does suffer into a couple champions though, TF mid for example fucks it over since he can constantly stun Sion, greatly weakening his ability to destroy turrets, then ult in and make a pick to give his team an easy 5v4 win.
The most annoying part of it is that when he eventually dies, you still have to waste CC and cooldowns on him.
sirhcez basically kept flinging him back and back away from the turret with singed and wavecleared, by the time he reached the turret, he could only land a few hits with minion isolation active (so basically doing reduced damage anyway). and he also bought mejais to stack off the sion. dopa was even more alpha. he was on jax, he proxied the wave so the sion pretty much had no minions to push with. then met and killed him later anyway. basically stay top all game never roam jax - it's "bad" playstyle in high elo to do that but we all low elo people already do that anyway.
I just played against PBE DH Quinn. She was oneshotting everyone.
The most fun part of int sion is when the guy comes up to boards makes a thread about how he got banned for int sion and its unfair than ppl letting him know being a stupid ass doesnt lift him from being punished for doing stupid stuff.
Its just right.
As I've stated in previous topics, the problem is not with Sion or his kit but with the Demolish rune. The fact that Demolish is not a Keystone and just a secondary rune is a issue that has plagued LOL all season. Sion capitalizes on it more than other champs cause it scales off maximum health which is exactly what Sion wants to build. Because one champion cannot kill Sion fast enough before he takes tower/inhib, this "inting" strat winds up being very difficult to stop without excellent coordination and the correct team composition.
One of two things should happen with Demolish:
Either
A: Make it a Keystone so at the very least you have to sacrifice Grasp to have it.
B: Reduce/remove the Rune scaling off of health.
Reminds me of 0 damage Tryndamere.
I bet he counters Int Sion, too
I think there's a fair amount of counter play to Int Sion. I've never had a problem against it personally. Don't expect your 1 trick to be automatically be good versus it however. Int Sion has good match ups and bad match ups.
AP champs that can build:
Viktor, Ryze, and Lissandra completely dumpster him.
Also Singed can proxy the wave he is split pushing which pretty much defeats Int Sion's whole strategy.
Master Yi, Jax, Fiora, Darius, Poppy, Irelia and Aatrox all do decently against him.
Once you get fed off him feeding himself group and murder his team, get baron, and end.
Now if you lose lane badly... well you're gunna have a bad time.
Sion mains hate him, this guy found this old weird trick to kill sion : 
just go
and buy mejais
Yi hard counters it btw
Sion can't ult away from/past him if he holds alpha until Sion casts it, Sion can barely last more than 3 seconds after dying to Yi's %maxHP and true damage, etc.
Yeah it's pretty unstoppable if his team doesn't int horridly and just let sion stack 6-7k hp and he will be dealing 2k with demolish alone and u gotta send 5 to the hp stacking sion to have any chance saving an inhib or a nexus tower. But as every splitpush tactics u can just camp the splitpusher and make his lane phase disgusting. It's not like sion has no counter play or anything.
If you are melee and AD then get tiamat and never leave lane if you get a lead. you go wherever int sion goes and make sure his wave never gets to tower. If you are a mage then waveclear and get mejais.
Sion's early is just stacking hp he doesn't care vs who plays against all he wants is hp and then when he has enough he just ignores champions and starts hitting those structures. To stop sion u just gotta camp him or freeze the waves hard and make him come to you also as i mentioned before the good sion players won't just mindlessly int giving free dark seal stacks early.
You can do plenty of stuff to counter sion but in most solo q games your won't just make everything possible to prevent sion from scaling and killing their nexus the average teammate will just play what he likes just doing his usual path of gameplay and we call theorise as much as we want but in reality most ppl don't give a damn how to beat X strat and they will just whine in the forums instead.
I don't understand this at all. People bitch about Inting Sion being so strong, but he is countered so hard. Majority of bruisers will get fed off him. Anivia shits on this strat since her W stops his ult and your R melt's his non MR ass. R + Q + E and he is either dead or is about to die. then Q again. Also this strat is already going to die this next patch in which they fuck over any type of push strat with your shutdown gold is not just champion kills, but you just farming will give them gold too. Jax and Yi are the best bet to stop this strat, because when they get fed off of Sion and are allowed to farm freely they will just murder sion constantly.
I've gone against a few in lane. Definitely not fun early, but after mid game he really falls off. Have never lost to an int sion.