Why do people not count assists for anything?

Tsuol Akussa·Aug 5, 2015·7 votes·1,035 views

I know this probably will get swept away or just ignored by all the chaos that is the Juggernaut changes happening recently, but I really have to ask: Why do people tend to ignore assists in most games that I have seen?

I'm sure we've all been there at some point and played a utility support/jungler. Ya know those guys who aren't the best at nabbing the last hit, but sure can help more then enough in the "kick the crap outa the bad guys" stage The list goes on. But the point is, you can be a one of those guys run a score of 4/7/25, and be flamed for not helping the team, or just brushed off as some pleb who was only there to witness someones 5 minute rise to glory, only to then be bashed for not helping the team and getting kills.

this may just be my experience, I don't know. But it seems every time I queue up in on of those roles, I'm just regarded as dead weight. I just wanna know what other people think about this. Why are assists regarded as virtually nothing at all?

6 Comments

imonly4noobcakesAug 5, 20153 votes

My playstyle fits support/jg role and I always get more assists than kills, and I hear what yer saying....who cares as long as it'sa win, and you didn't feed...it's all good. I dunno why people got this carry idea stuck in their heads.

joebobby1412Aug 5, 20151 votes

I'm not sure I understand where you are coming from on this. It's not a competition with your team to see who can steal the kills. All the people you listed are supports and junglers, who for the most part should be trying to give the kills to the laners. (You don't HAVE to, but it is preferable.) So especially on champs like those you be expected to have plenty of assists and less kills. If you are playing ADC then you are expected to get the kills because you need the money to buy the more expensive items in your build. An ADC with 1/7/30 is getting carried. A Braum with 1/7/30 is doing the carrying.

You are saying people are telling you a score of 4/7/25 is real bad, but it's fine. Now, If you really mean something more like 4/10/12 then I could understand why they might think you are being as useful as you could be. So, it's probably not a lack of appreciation for assists maybe more a lack of patience for slightly sub-par play, or just no patience at all for not perfect play.

I'm not saying you are just bad, but I find it easier to believe that is more the case than that you are going 4/7/25 most games and always being harassed about it.

Tsuol AkussaAug 5, 20151 votes

I apologize if I made anything come across the wrong way, but I get where you're coming from, and I do own up to it, if I have a bad game I have a bad game, it happens to the best of us. But this wasn't meant to come across as a "Give me all the kills cuz reasons." type of post, nor was it meant to reflect me personally. I just mean that say you're playing a Leona Vayne bot lane. Not that uncommon to see. And so on Vayne's mark, or maybe someone stepped out too much, leo starts an easy win fight/trade. Vayne ends up with a kill, or maybe forces a back, and then gets ahead in lane. Vayne starts to snowball, and the game is over before anyone knows it, and Vayne ends up going like 12/4/6. thats a fine game, took some towers, decent cs. While the Leona will go something like 2/8/15. Roamed a bit, tried to save some people from dying, sometimes it can't be helped but none the less had a good game overall and went home with the V.

At least this is in my experience, but those last number columns don't exist to some people, and I've been, and seen other get flamed for that 2/8 alone, as a no real damage, utility tank role. those are the guys who seem to be called out more than anyone else in this regard. And when its talked about, they're either ignored or straight up told they didn't do anything all game, and someone like that Vayne was putting in all the work. Which I understand it's one thing to turn around a losing fight, but its another thing to be the one physically forcing the enemy team's adc out of it, and then proceeding to draw the heat from 1-2 other damage dealers. Allotting time for your damage dealers to clean up. But I guess the like the idea I'm trying to point at is, why won't people really give the right credit to where its due? It's one thing to ward up and watch for ganks. It's another to keep the Rengar from jumping out of a bush onto the squishies, ya know?

ThrackiusAug 5, 20151 votes

I won't lie, and I mean no offense by this, but I feel this went slightly past you sir.

A TLDR of his post is basically saying the roles meant to get assist, tend to get flamed for doing their job.

joebobby1412Aug 5, 20151 votes

See, I felt like replying to his reply to my comment with something along those lines. Essentially: you aren't complaining of people not caring for assist, you are complaining of people not caring for supports and supporting junglers. Which has always been far worse than it is now. Did you play back before you were capped to 3 wards? that is literally all the support was then. It was a hated role because you didn't do anything other than ward. Riot has made great changes to turn it into a real role people can enjoy playing, but I guess some people still don't appreciate it.

But, I felt like that could just as easily be getting far off topic from what his post was intended to be because it is so different than what he was actually talking about, it makes more sense after his reply to my first comment, but even then I felt like it was more tangential than it should be.