I am sick of tired of constant bad players and trolls. Are you ever going to implement a system where consistent bad performers e.g people doing 0-5 in 5mins etc are punished? I am sick and tired of going 5-0 on a lane then having another lane feed troll then surrender at 20. Fix it, i am at boiling point,
warpenguin5554 voteshow is this riots fault at all?
Moakmeister2 votesMaybe it was your fault? Maybe you're toxic? Watching this might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ4vPCY11eM
FarmingGuyk1 votesI'm not toxic, but i believe in punishment for severely bad players.
Tulare1 votesIn what way would you like to see unskilled players punished? What purpose do you think would be accomplished by punishing them in that way?
imonly4noobcakes1 votesThat was funny and very true :D
Skilled Theory2 votesYou haven't gone positive in your last 9 games. That's pretty consistently bad if you ask me. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/73941514#matches
Crossette2 votesIf people get hard countered and they go 0-12 because they're shut down, do they deserve to get banned?
Do you want to get banned for having a bad game?
Then shut the fuck up and carry your games if you're so strong.
Edit: Carry games until you fix your MMR if you think you don't belong with the people you're matched with.
Reynard the ƒox1 votesJust quit. Find a better game.
lennzy1 votesriot didnt make those players go afk they didnt suddenly message them and go "aye go afk"
FarmingGuyk1 votesNo but there is not a sophisticated system to group bad players CONSISTENT bad players together?
Shonjl1 votesThere is a system, they already have restricted ques for if you leave too many games and such, they could easily make another que where if they make an algorithm, like say 1/5 or 1/10 to be very generous. For every 10 deaths you have in a game, you should be getting at least 1 kill to make up for it, so if you die say 30 times, you should have at least gotten 3 kills to make up for it, fail to do so puts a mark against you, and if you do so too many times, you get put into the que which puts you against less skillful players. Have the marks fade when you win games obviously. Sure it may be looked at punishing the bad player but it should give them more than enough tries to do decent before it does such, and at the end of the day, majority wins, if doing such helps the other 4 players on the team then Riot would do it since making 4 people happy vs making all 5 upset, which you think they will choose?
FriendIy Psycho1 voteswhat if someone is having a bad game? lol. or new to norms? new to game? riot cant fix this so shut up and play the game. OR maybe they are just bad at the game and trying to get better?
FarmingGuyk1 votesI said consistent, key word. Also why should good players who work hard at work and come home for 1 or 2 games, have to have it ruined by bad players and trolls?
Shonjl1 votesI see this answer a lot and it makes me laugh. Being new to the game won't count since its pre30 and by lvl30 you SHOULD know how the game works, so if you suck by then still i see it as being something worth getting in trouble over, maybe not a ban since that is too harsh, but throwing them into a que with other baddies.
There is a difference between doing bad a game or 2 and doing bad every single game. We all have our mess ups, that isn't new and never will be. But when you get herpderp player at like 10% hp and the enemy laner is like full hp and they go in, that is just pure retardation.
I see it both ways, the bad player shouldn't be punished but at the same time, the other 4 players shouldn't be punished they got paired up with someone with the smarts and attention span of a goldfish. Even in normals you should be trying. I am not saying tryhard like you would in ranked but at least give a shit. And it seems like lately its worse than normal, why should I (I use that as I for everyone, not just merely me alone) have to deal with a stupid guy that dies 10 times in a lane for no other reason then his own? Even a new player would know if I am dying a lot, to try not being so aggressive.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesyou cant be serious. Because someone is bad at the game then they should get in trouble?! "so if you suck by then still i see it as being something worth getting in trouble over" If someone is bad at a game... they should not be getting in trouble because of their skill level. Here is an example... I play a lot of dark souls pvp.. i suck at it. Should i get in trouble because im bad at dark souls?
Its not fair to players working on skill. Yeah maybe they do not belong in ranked just yet but hey, they have every right to play ranked lol. Again, shut up and play the game, there is not much riot can do against people who give up in a game, yeah it sucks but oh well. One person giving up is not game breaking I have won plenty of 4v5s come back in plenty of games where my team clearly didn't have the advantage. Ive been on loosing streaks and ive been on tilt, hey, I'm only silver 4 at the moment I'm not the best, not even close, yeah, a couple of games now and then theres a troll feeding because he didnt get his garen top but look at it this way. The chances of the ONE troll that looses the game on YOUR team is actually pretty slim! think about it this way--->>
suppose 1 in every 10 players is a troll for arguments sake. there are 5 people on each team which means each player has a 10% chance of being a troll. Excluding yourself as a troll increases all other chances of other players being a troll by 1.1 percent. (P=player) P1you----P6(%11.1) P2(%11.1)----P7(%11.1) P3(%11.1)----P8(%11.1) P4(%11.1)----P9(%11.1) p5(%11.1)----P0(%11.1) So take this data and add it all together--->> (your team) 11.1 x 4= %44.4 chance to get a troll (opponents team) 11.1 x 5= %55.5 chance to get a troll (rough numbers but the difference is by %.1)
Overall quit whining and climb to a higher teir.
edited note reading over your comment again when i quote "so if you suck by then still i see it as being something worth getting in trouble over" I would also like to add the fact that riot wont simply be like "hey.. you're level 30 and you're bad? bans them" There is NO reason to get in trouble if you're bad at a game.
Shonjl1 votesDidn't even read your giant post since your very first part fails with what I said. I never said punish them for being bad. I said banning them would be too harsh, but putting them into a que with more baddies until they start doing better. Which most games actually do, if you aren't doing good? You get paired with people similar to you, as a reward and consequence, it helps you so you don't get wrecked as bad but also to prevent better players with dealing with worse ones, hell Ranked does just that you either start off at a great Gold, respectable Silver, or Gutter trash Bronze. And don't even give me that normal MMR actually means something since you get people that go 30/0 in normals and its not because the champ is just OP, it means they bloody know what they are doing. Hell I had normals where one of the players was a bloody diamond player. Why would a Diamond be paired even in normals with scrubs?
Before you go on a rant, actually read what was said.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesso instead of having an intelligent debate about this you decide to insult me. okay so you really just made yourself sound like a complete and total idiot. lemme explain. "didnt even read your giant post" first lol now you say this "before you go on a rant read what was said"
Shonjl1 votesIf that's an insult to you, that is your own problem. And no, I won't have a debate with someone when they totally go on a rant about something I didn't say. I never said they should get banned, I bloody even said those exact words, you took it as I said they should get banned and went off of that. And I told you to read before you say something since you responded to me. Why would I waste my time reading your literally useless response when it was about something I didn't even say?
And the fact you are calling me the idiot when you are the one saying I insulted you even though you failed from the very beginning speaks wonders on you.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesNow you are just trying your hardest to turn the tables on me. Ill quote it again... "so if you suck by then still i see it as being something worth getting in trouble over" Lemme make sure you know what you typed. You are saying that if someone is bad they should be punished again what is your point? If someone is bad at the game riot has to tell them to get better? or force them to play bots?
If you where too lazy to read that too ill put it simple. you put off that your opinion is that if someone is bad they get in trouble. "so if you suck by then still i see it as being something worth getting in trouble over"
Shonjl1 votesIf you see being put into a lower que is considered bad then sure. But its not. Look at Ranked, if you suck you lose ranks and even tiers, god forbid something similar happens to normals. Yes normals is just for fun but I am sure people would rather actually play for said fun then deal with said person that doesn't seem to learn.
I see where you are coming from now but still, at the end of the day, people want to have fun. If someone repeat sucks then they should be paired with crappier players. It isn't as bad as you make it sound. The better players have a higher chance of having an enjoyable game since the bad players are no longer there, and the bad players have it better since they are no longer getting their face stomped in since they are with people in their actual league, if they do good enough, they go back into the other grouping.
Ignore the punishment part and just answer. What do you feel is better. The bad player (and I repeat it isn't some 1 time bad game deal, I mean bad player as in they consistently suck) gets paired with similar people so they can actually learn without getting their faces stomped in while the other better players get to enjoy their games. Or as it is right now where the better players get annoyed, which in turn angers the crap player for being called out, which also doesn't allow him to learn.
Other than this I don't know what else to say to you. Being new and being stupid are two different things. One can actually learn while the other is either too bad or too cocky to learn. There should come a point when something happens when Gnar dies to Darius 3 times, but then proceeds to do the same thing another 8 more times after and wonders why everyone is raging at him and they lose the game since Darius just Pentadunked your entire team.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesall I'm saying is that its not fair to punish players who are bad at the game. I understand that being consistent in loss's/feeding is a bad thing but not all of those people are trolls. My biggest lost streak was 22 games in a row, no lie. I wasn't trolling those games nor did i have a troll, should i have been punished for loosing those games? Sure i didn't feed every one and a couple i did on accident. Instead of punishing bad players, as a community we should enforce good things on them. Tell them what they did wrong and tell them how to fix it. instead of flaming them that they fed top and their jungler tell them to buy wards and such. Its just not fair to punish a bad player for being bad. Without total supervision of a game there's no way to fix this problem, our whole debate was over some guy whose mad because he lost a few games in a row, and everyone contributes to a loss even the guy who won lane 10/0.
Overall, yeah there's a big difference between stupid, and bad, but there's always a way to win even if you have an idiot on your team. And look at "farmingGuyk's" match history. Hes on super tilt and is consistently playing. hes doing bad consistently so to his own argument shouldn't he get punished? You and I have two different standpoints I respect yours but us arguing will serve no purpose and in the end BOTH of us are wrong and cant do anything about it.
funny fact too! 8 out of 9 matched in farmingguyks history he either went negative and or fed.
Shonjl1 votesI can understand and respect that. Meh maybe I have just given up on trying to help is all. By no means am I good, but I try to help where I can and it seems no one in this game wants to admit they did something wrong. It seems like most people think being a rager and someone giving advice is both as toxic as one another and its depressing.
I guess at the end of the day, it just as it is right now isn't working. Ranked its another story and you should demand the best of your ability. But normals it just feels so uneven. What ever happened to the tough games that were fairly even? It gets kinda dumb when its either you are getting facerolled or doing the facerolling. Hell it doesn't even feel that good when you win a game and it was like 30-5.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesyeah its never fun to win a game where the enemies had no chance at all. and its no fun the other way around norms are never gunna be even because people see it as either "practice" or a joke.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesThats just how the game is. There is no penalty for playing poorly.