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Senna, and the interactions of Infinitely scaling Range

Lunarwolf150··7 votes·10,724 views

So Senna's q states that the cast range scales with her attack range. Turns out that's not quite true. Didn't notice in time to see the exact range it stops at, but somewhere around 1200? That's my best guess. Afterwards, the range stopped increasing at all Also included are some interesting interactions with runaan's hurricane:

  1. Senna can not pick up souls with the runaan's secondary shots
  2. Picking up souls does proc runaan's to attack other nearby targets, but not other souls
  3. Apparently there's a maximum range at which runaan's will look for nearby targets to proc on.

Obviously this situation will probably never be encountered in an actual game, since it took me about 40 minutes farming three target dummies with a runaan's to hit the thousand stacks, but some of these things are interesting to note.

timestamps on the video for the two different issues being noted: q range - 1:08 runaan's interaction - 0:40 If this should be in the bug section, I'll repost it there, but this seemed more like gameplay interactions than game breaking bugs.

18 Comments

Tr4shB4NSYST3M10 votes

Boiii these s9 champs are something else hahahahaha Riot doesn't give a damn about balance anymore.

hhaavviikk5 votes

Idk how many souls it took but I managed to get 800 AA range on Senna in ARAM which is still pretty good since that outranges towers.

Romans VI XXIII6 votes

Yea Towers have 775 Range. I am averaging 140 Souls by the time I get to Inhib towers in normal games. Which puts Sennas range at 775. With that range its extremely easy to poke enemies under tower or simple shoot the tower down with out much trouble. As they have to stand way behind it or I can simple AA>Q spam them down.

Her AA range scaling is completely absurd, with out even considering the 10 other things her Passive does.

Lystrates1 votes

I call BS. 80 souls by games end should be a decent game. 100 souls in a good game. You DO NOT, or anyone else, average 140 souls. In a very extreme game you can get 140 souls.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Call BS all you want. But I am averaging 140 souls. Lol.

I play her ADC or mid and I harrase very well with her. And once you get 20 stacks it gets even easier, then 40 is easier and 60 easier.....ect....ect....

Every Senna I have played against SUCKS at stacking. They harrase with just Q instead of a AA>Q so they are in no way maximising their stacks. In fact this is the way a Senna gets most thier stacks by procing it off of 2 hits. And since Q CD isnt to long and AAs reduce it it's super easy to keep farming stacks with it. Then there are small things like always grab the 2 dragon souls, and then any souls from jungle mobs you can grab in the mid/late when your grouped. And holy moly do the stacks add up fast when you are seiging or the enemy is seiging you. Cause by this time u should easily have 60 - 80 stacks and you can easily hit them with out to much push back or getting out of position.

I have 2 games on this account with her, feel free to go look at/watch them and see how many souls I have lol.

Paroe1 votes

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Call BS all you want. But I am averaging 140 souls. Lol.

I play her ADC or mid and I harrase very well with her. And once you get 20 stacks it gets even easier, then 40 is easier and 60 easier.....ect....ect....

Every Senna I have played against SUCKS at stacking. They harrase with just Q instead of a AA>Q so they are in no way maximising their stacks. In fact this is the way a Senna gets most thier stacks by procing it off of 2 hits. And since Q CD isnt to long and AAs reduce it it's super easy to keep farming stacks with it. Then there are small things like always grab the 2 dragon souls, and then any souls from jungle mobs you can grab in the mid/late when your grouped. And holy moly do the stacks add up fast when you are seiging or the enemy is seiging you. Cause by this time u should easily have 60 - 80 stacks and you can easily hit them with out to much push back or getting out of position.

I have 2 games on this account with her, feel free to go look at/watch them and see how many souls I have lol.

Another way to get stacks (and is super fun) is Glacial augment+approach velocity + trinity force. The full build is item 3078 item 3508 item 3031 item 3085 item 3009 + situational.

When you get phage, its a guranteed proc because both of her main abilities proc glacial augment, and even Udyrs have a hard time escaping that early.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Yea, people think Tri is weak on her cause her base AD is at 50 all game. But it's so much more than just for the damage proc. Makes you much faster and alot less squishy lol.

SH Azykan1 votes

she has a quest that enables at 100 mist when vs thresh, a good senna 100% can get more than 80 souls in a good game. You just need to be consistently harassing both lane opponents. and playing for objectives with a good siege comp (which is where she shines imo)

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

And the more Souls you have = easier to get more souls.

Jean Backdoor3 votes

Her range scaling is stupid and since it can be done super fast, she is basically untouchable as she can have as much AA range than vision range. Riot really gonna need to nerf how she scale by putting a roof like with her Crit chance (Max 35% if im not mistaken)

Luminev3 votes

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Her range scaling is stupid and since it can be done super fast, she is basically untouchable as she can have as much AA range than vision range. Riot really gonna need to nerf how she scale by putting a roof like with her Crit chance (Max 35% if im not mistaken)

She doesn't have a roof on crit chance she has reduced crit damage Her crits instead of dealing 200% damage they deal 130%. And she only outranges caitlyn quickly in extreme cases, otherwise it takes her at least 25 minutes or so. Even if she is long range she's really easy to dive as an assassin or hook since she's immobile.

Jennifer171 votes

the runaans max range thing is very weird for 2 reasons

  1. it works fine on kogmaw and kogs runaans can trigger at a 90° angle
  2. runaans stopped working for my 775 range senna on max range. which is a bit lame tbh.
CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

item 3069 blaaaaaaaaaah

0 Hogapu1 votes

btw if u want a fast way to spawn souls : spawn a drake, and spawn another one. The first one will die, leaving a soul :)

Lunarwolf1502 votes

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btw if u want a fast way to spawn souls : spawn a drake, and spawn another one. The first one will die, leaving a soul :)

That's a good idea, not sure if i'll spend the time to do this again, it was mainly a 'what if' I was doing since infinite scaling deserves to be played with

Leona is SO HOT1 votes

eh , it looks like your average dota 'sniper' gameplay to me

Żügżwäng1 votes

Gathering storm, here I come. A sufficient, "Guys play safe, I need to farm and scale hard into late" should do the trick to let your team know you're going to get them a free win at the 2 hour mark.

hazerddex1 votes

this is the problem with stacking champions Nasus Veigar in general. if they get enough stacks they are impossible to deal with.

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