Looking over Yasuo Nerfs and is it really the best way to go?

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As we know, Yasuo is one of the most annoying champions to deal with and currently in patch 7.10, is really strong (50%+ winrate). Recently on the PBE, Yasuo has received some nerfs, but are the nerfs justified for Yasuo? I believe if these nerfs comes through, Yasuo will receive buffs again in the future and it will be an endless nerf/buff cycle. The nerf on Yasuo targetted Yasuos early game by nerfing the Q duration and increasing the cooldown on E. But are those what make Yasuo so hated? I believe the nerf on Q is an absolutely great idea and I believe those nerfs will definitely affect his early game and pressure. With this coming through, E max is probably going to be sought out. But is the E nerf necessary? I believe the nerf on Yasuos E was unnecessary as it is already quite balanced imo. If we do end up maxing E, Yasuo will lose the ability to trade efficiently and that is what people will do already after the nerfs. Targetting his E was the wrong move imo. I think nerfing his passive shield regeneration, and his windwall would be more justified. Nerfing the duration of the windwall and maybe size or even a little bit longer of CD would make him more balanced. The E nerf is i think just going to kill his laning extremely and eventually make him get a buff and get the endless cycle started again. If the cd of E has to be nerfed, then increase the damage once again. At this point, maxing E or Q won't really matter and it'll feel like he'd just get pooped on either way. Also, maybe reduce his armor penetration from ultimate. Maybe it's too much, I don't know. But i just believe that the E nerf will just lead to buffs that'll just make his ban rate just fluctuate. Focus on his strengths, not something that is already balanced. He can only dash 6 times a wave, patience and calm thinking will just counter all those attriubutes. P.S, maybe give the enemy an indicator to minions Yasuo had already dashed too. That'll make his E also underwhelming without major hurtful changes. My say is that, "Don't over nerf the ability that makes that champion who he is and unique. In this case, Yasuos Sweeping Blade, and Double crit. Nerf the aspects that make him cancer to others. (Many complain about his bs shields and windwall. Maybe with those, Yasuos will play more safe knowing they have these sort of nerfs with them.) Thanks for reading

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Bultz3 votes

He was balanced, literally the only reason he was nerfed was because of peoples whining. fuck riot

sakwoya3 votes

mhhhmm. Its not like crit items got cheaper and buffed also buffing yasuo in 7.9. Totally not that at all. Totally.

Bultz3 votes

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mhhhmm. Its not like crit items got cheaper and buffed also buffing yasuo in 7.9. Totally not that at all. Totally.

lowering the price of ie buy like 200 isn't a buff.

sakwoya2 votes

Did I forget to mention Zeal and armor pen becoming weaker but cheaper? Recent changes to Bork etc.? While I have your attention Yasuo main,what do you think of champions like Warwick,Darius and Fiora?

Bultz1 votes

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Did I forget to mention Zeal and armor pen becoming weaker but cheaper? Recent changes to Bork etc.? While I have your attention Yasuo main,what do you think of champions like Warwick,Darius and Fiora?

He lost cost on ie, but gained it back on things like pd whose prices went up. the changes didn't buff him as much as they buffed lucian graves and almost all ranged adc. Yasuo shouldn't have to pay for this shit.

Darius is broken, no outplay with him. You beat him down use all the actives on him that you want he just ults you for 1000+ true damage. No escaping his clingy kit. Fiora is far more broken then yasuo ever could be. No chances for out play. Literally only needs ravenous hydra then can build anything she wants. She is super clingy, you can't escape her, her damage is absurd, her healing is retarded. She needs nerfs not yasuo. As for WW he isn't broken, but he is dangerous if you are bad at outplaying people. there are item counters for him healing, magic damage, and crowd control, meaning his ult. Hes easy to beat.

You see I have never gone against a yasuo and said fuck, because he is so fuckign easy to counter. Proc his shield boom he's dead. On the other hand I have never seen anyone beat a fiora in lane. ever. or ever have a bad game. that's not even including those who main her. They are nerfing yasuo, who has the most counter already in the game, but any of the other fucks like veigar, who btw hit me 1600 damage on Yasuo out of my 1650 hp with one move.

sakwoya2 votes

Thats why I asked the question. The way I see it Yasuo mains hate champions that can kill them. Those champions are broken in 1v1s because Yasuo cant beat them. Have you ever played against a yasuo 1v1 as Yorick in lane? Or any slow top laer besides the two you mentioned as op. I disagree on the Darius is op statement but I do agree on the Fiora shit.Just try playing a tank against Yasuo in lane or an adc against a good Yasuo. Its not very fun. Just try playing a champion that has no hope of beating him

Bultz1 votes

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Thats why I asked the question. The way I see it Yasuo mains hate champions that can kill them. Those champions are broken in 1v1s because Yasuo cant beat them. Have you ever played against a yasuo 1v1 as Yorick in lane? Or any slow top laer besides the two you mentioned as op. I disagree on the Darius is op statement but I do agree on the Fiora shit.Just try playing a tank against Yasuo in lane or an adc against a good Yasuo. Its not very fun. Just try playing a champion that has no hope of beating him

I have been shat on as Yasuo by every champion in this game, until i got really good. That is why i have 1mill exp and win almost all my lanes. I took the time and studied each champion to beat them. We don't hate champions that can kill us, we hate champions with bs kits that have no outplay. Darius is hitting 75% of my life with a little of his kit while, he slows you, heals, a few autos and boom 1000+ true damage to cap it. Even though i had outplayed him the whole time, have all all ad items, while he only has armor and mr, yet he out damages me even with my lifesteal. Like that is stupid. I built everything to counter him and he just 1 hits you in the end because of his broken extra bonus damage. Is it fair? no.

As for other champions in the top like yorick, yorick shits all over yasuo, if you're good, but I know yorick well and can out think him to win. He shits on me, gets cocky and boom outplayed. Or he starts pushing lane, or he does this and that and i see it and take him down because of it. As for not beating yasuo, who are you talking about? Outside of slayers and a duelists Yasuo is meant to win every fight. He doesn't heal his team, he doesn't stun you, can't range you, can't tank you, he is only meant to kill.

sakwoya1 votes

Totally agree with the last part. I just hate the fact that he is so annoying about it.

0921 votes

The problem people have against Yasuos is they either overestimate him or underestimate him. Because they are going against a cancer with such background, they will either play cocky or afraid. For one to call a champion bullshit or absolutely cancer/broken, you must actually master that champion yourself and see it in a clear first person perspective.

sakwoya1 votes

This has devolved into a complaining session. I was hoping you would be a bit more open minded to other opinions but bringing in veigar as an example of unfair when compared to Yas is dumb(Veigar is made to burst one guy) People dont hate Yasuo because hes so hard to counter. Just get tanky and CC him. DONE. The problem is that he is so annoying to play against. I dont hate Yasuo when Im on Warwick because I have a chance of beating him. But when Im on Sion,,Yorick,Gp or any not duelist top laner I feel hopeless and pissed because its so annoying to see a guy keep winning trades because of a free shield. The fact of the matter is,he is too unfun to play against. Most champions can NOT EVER beat him 1v1 through the power of his w and passive. Id gladly not complain about Yasuo if I had options of beating him 1v1. Outplay potential is fine and all but not that the cost of it being so unfair towards other champions. You said that Darius is completely broken. That is not the case. Darius is made to kill you melee. How the hell is a slow and a pull mega sticky. He is killed by kitting. Yasuo can beat him through smart trading and spacing out his dmg. The only way he can get 1k true damage ult is if you let him get 5 stacks. As for Fiora. Fuck everything about that champion. The mere fact that you hate her as much as me makes me respect your opinion that much more.

0921 votes

I totally understand where you are coming from, that is why I suggest the increase in regeneration time for his passive shield. I believe that will give the player more breathing room. But isn't it actually ideal to have a champion countered by Yasuo? I understand it may seem that Yasuo counters every champion in the game, but this is absolutely not true. As a Diamond 2 player, I do main Yasuo but I can play other champions as well. I've played Karthus, Orianna, Syndra, Ahri, Xerath, GP, Lucian, Brand, etc. against Yasuo and equally have destroyed him in Diamond elo. It matters on how you play and how you adapt to a situation in which you are against a Yasuo. What can a yasuo do? Dash to your minions? The minions are positioned to your side of the map (your tower). Wave management is always ideal against Yasuo. And if he isn't even near his tower, he is a dead man. The only escape he has is either Flash or Dashing. Like i said, the minions are towards your side of the tower. Just calmly analyze the situation as that is Yasuos biggest counter. The ability to use your brain rather than using your "muscles"

Bultz1 votes

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This has devolved into a complaining session. I was hoping you would be a bit more open minded to other opinions but bringing in veigar as an example of unfair when compared to Yas is dumb(Veigar is made to burst one guy) People dont hate Yasuo because hes so hard to counter. Just get tanky and CC him. DONE. The problem is that he is so annoying to play against. I dont hate Yasuo when Im on Warwick because I have a chance of beating him. But when Im on Sion,,Yorick,Gp or any not duelist top laner I feel hopeless and pissed because its so annoying to see a guy keep winning trades because of a free shield. The fact of the matter is,he is too unfun to play against. Most champions can NOT EVER beat him 1v1 through the power of his w and passive. Id gladly not complain about Yasuo if I had options of beating him 1v1. Outplay potential is fine and all but not that the cost of it being so unfair towards other champions. You said that Darius is completely broken. That is not the case. Darius is made to kill you melee. How the hell is a slow and a pull mega sticky. He is killed by kitting. Yasuo can beat him through smart trading and spacing out his dmg. The only way he can get 1k true damage ult is if you let him get 5 stacks. As for Fiora. Fuck everything about that champion. The mere fact that you hate her as much as me makes me respect your opinion that much more.

im not complaining, i am asking, how is it fair that yasuo has to use his entire kit to kill, has to outplay you, and even after busting his whole kit doesn't kill you right away, but someone like veigar can one hit you and has to put no effort into it, meanwhile yasuo is the taking the nerf?

Idk how you play sion, yorick, or gp and had trouble when most of them crush yasuo if played right. Champions are not meant to beat him in a 1v1, idk where you got the idea that your supposed to beat a slayer/duelest in 1v1. That is like saying idk why tanks are so tanky m8. Thats what they do, their intent. yasuo is a duelist meant to fight. You want to beat yasuo you have to cc him or team him. Either that or play another slayer/duelist and leave it to ur skill.

Darius isn't slow, if you have a good darius who knows how to build and play hes over the top. Darius is meant to kill too, but yasuo is meant to skill all classes, hence he is a slayer and darius is a juggernaut. You can't beat darius when he gets 5 stacks it wont happen and yasuo doesn't in any way provide the damage to beat him unless he is super fed. being hit 1500 by darius r after havign kitted him isn't counterable. how else is yasuo suppose to fight darius without darius getting stacks, yasuo can't get close.

Yeah fuck fioara man, she is what tank yasuo was but on another level.

sakwoya1 votes

Firstly I have no idea why the boards didnt inform me of your response until two weeks later. After thinking about it,you are correct. I will concede that. I have spent time learning to play against him. I already knew what to do against him. Its why I dont loose to him anymore. I was just complaining that he is one of THE most unfun champion to lane against. He just annoys me. And now with ten bans coming in my low gold ass wont have to look at him anymore. I do respect yasuo mains but I still hate the champion. I do however love the character of Yasuo. He is an awesome character in the lore. Totally someone I would love to play. But his in game mechanics just rub me the wrong way. Bottom line I dont like playing against yasuo. I find it too unfun. He just annoys me.

ShilsuÆDarin1 votes

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This has devolved into a complaining session. I was hoping you would be a bit more open minded to other opinions but bringing in veigar as an example of unfair when compared to Yas is dumb(Veigar is made to burst one guy) People dont hate Yasuo because hes so hard to counter. Just get tanky and CC him. DONE. The problem is that he is so annoying to play against. I dont hate Yasuo when Im on Warwick because I have a chance of beating him. But when Im on Sion,,Yorick,Gp or any not duelist top laner I feel hopeless and pissed because its so annoying to see a guy keep winning trades because of a free shield. The fact of the matter is,he is too unfun to play against. Most champions can NOT EVER beat him 1v1 through the power of his w and passive. Id gladly not complain about Yasuo if I had options of beating him 1v1. Outplay potential is fine and all but not that the cost of it being so unfair towards other champions. You said that Darius is completely broken. That is not the case. Darius is made to kill you melee. How the hell is a slow and a pull mega sticky. He is killed by kitting. Yasuo can beat him through smart trading and spacing out his dmg. The only way he can get 1k true damage ult is if you let him get 5 stacks. As for Fiora. Fuck everything about that champion. The mere fact that you hate her as much as me makes me respect your opinion that much more.

Can i just say you keep talking about how unfun and annoying it is versing a Yasuo as a non duelist but you have you realise that some champions just aren't meant to 1v1, Sion is a fcking tank his goal is to soak up damage Yorick does damage but regardless he builds tanky with maybe a triforce as his only damage item and a good GP can destroy Yasuo, I'm sure you probably know this but some champions just aren't meant to 1v1 others but some tanks like Naut, Malphite and Tahm can destroy him in laning phase and just like what you said before its not fun to verse them as Yasuo. Match ups that counter you should be hard and if your losing then its not fun for anyone and I've lost and won against a yorick, malph and other champs and that's because i fcked up or they just played well, if you can dodge Yasuo's Q and deny him the stacks for tornado you just disabled his two strongest abilities and sure for tanks that are slow its hard to dodge it but there are other ways to play against Yasuo without it being strictly in lane for example call your jungler and do herald then go top and push or look for tp roams and help out your team, you should be changed how you play according to the game like your builds so if you play against a Yasuo like you would against a Tank then you going to lose . Lastly Yasuo isn't the only problem for ranged champions when there are other champions like Fizz and Syndra who can just one shot you as soon as you even see them most ranged champions deal huge damage but are very squishy so any champions that can touch them and deal moderate amount of damage will kill them

sakwoya1 votes

I agree with your last point completely. Adcs are kinda fucked no matter what. Over the past few I figured out that Im trash at yorick vs yasuo. And I know all the ways to beat him. I just hate looking at him. He just pisses me off to no end. I wish I could mute champion voices. It gets really annoying to hear HASAGI,ASERYO,SORYON,FACE THE WIND every 4 seconds . I think hes the most vocal champion in the game. Correct me if Im wrong(please do,this interests me for some reason) I was playing jhin yesterday and a yasuo walked up behind me because I didnt word. We just flashed our masteries and I danced. So did he. I do accept that certain champions have no hope of beating some. I would really like to see a jhin beat yasuo 1v1. I just find him annoying in game. I do find his haracter to be cool af. I think hes the coolest ionian in league apart from jhin. I wish I could view him the way I view Zed. Complete respect and neutrality. But I just cant.

0921 votes

I honestly don't hate champions that counter Yasuo. The only aspect I hate about playing a lane in which I get dumpstered in is playing passively. I don't like just farming until 25 minutes in the game, that is just absolutely boring to me. League of legends is supposed to be fun, and it isn't supposed to be a game in which you are restricted to do such things. But i do respect champions that counter Yasuo. I do not hate them because every champion needs a counter. Without it, that champion would just be spammed / banned frequently, and cause many more issues.

I understand the difficultly of playing against Yasuo as an ADC, that is why i stated to lower the duration of Wind Wall as it would actually allow the ADC to do something rather than getting neglected then one shotted. If Yasuo's E Nerf goes live, eventually in the next few patches from 7.11, Yasuo will have to get buffed since his early would be so bad, he won't reach mid - late game that well at all. And his win rate would be oblivious.

If they are going to nerf Yasuo, let them do it correctly so the champion can be healthy. What is the point of nerfing something thats balanced, then buff him later on and have the cycle start all over again?

sakwoya1 votes

the cycle never stops.

Kayn11 votes

Playing vs a yasuo is do ready if you know what your doing but most people are so dumb that yasuo can just abuse your ignorance and punish you heavily for it. Also playing an ad vs Yasuo is not that hard again, as long as you don't fight him in a minion wave. People complain about Yasuo and yet they never learn from their deaths and just continue to die to him over and over. Honestly if you hate playing vs Yasuo that's understandable, but if you think he is broken or deserving on nerfs or a rework you just need to get gud.

0921 votes

I believe both Warwick and Darius are in a good place. Warwick became A LOT more useful pre 6 and can definitely take charge and help his team efficiently. I believe the rework on Warwick is really good, and for a few more patches, he will possibly be tier 1-3 jungle. For Darius, I believe he is also fairly balanced. His kit isn't overloaded or anything like that. The only issue i see with him is if he gets a 5 man Q health regen or after he gets a kill, he rolls on with his ultimate resets. But, you can always play around that. Grevious wounds would work well, and aiming frontline in teamfights with Darius is also very effective. I don't see why they would nerf Darius since he is in a good and healthy place. Darius vs Yasuo, the match up is quite tough for Yasuo. Darius does seem to win since overall his Kit does counter Yasuo. As long as the player is good, the match up will go either way. That's how this game is ruled usually. Whoever is the better player. Now Fiora, this is a tough one. In regards to Yasuo vs Fiora, Fiora can absolutely dumpster Yasuo and make him 0/20, but Yasuo can also win if he plays mindgames. Is Fiora healthy though? I don't really know. Sometimes I see good fioras, mediocre Fioras, and bad Fioras. I believe she is in the range of Unhealthy - Mediocre. Her late game is so strong with her item pathings and abilities. But that is all i can say for Fiora.

For the Zeal and Armor Pen changes. If you have noticed, Zeal has decreased its price to 1200. That means, after Yasuo gets this item, he needs 1400 more gold to get PD. With this though, Yasuo probably gets PD after 9:30 - 10:25 if he plays decently. He can't reach his PD spike quick enough, but the I.E buff (-200 gold) can help Yasuo hit his spikes quickly. Just abuse him before he gets PD, then him getting items will be reliant on splitting. Then catch him out and such and it'll be okay.

sakwoya1 votes

Agreed. Also I wish riot would fix the notifications on the boards. I got informed of your comment 13 days later.

sakwoya1 votes

Agreed. Also I wish riot would fix the notifications on the boards. I got informed of your comment 13 days later. In one of my ranked games I met a smurf going IE,PD,Deaths Dance,Titanic Hydra,Spirit visage on Yasuo. It kinda felt like tank Yasuo all over again. But it wasnt since he had to use exhaust to not die and life steal back up. This guy would just e in exhaust me first(was a fed warwick who could actually kill him) and just went on our poor ad and support. He was to tanky to burst but did too much damage to ignore. Now was my adc an idiot. Kinda. It was a xayah so she cant really peel. We still won that game but that really accented the reasons why most people despise him.

0921 votes

This idea was meant for ADC's but Yasuo indirectly got a buff since he is reliant on Crit. If they remove crit on Yasuo, he'll just build cancer tank and that'll be no fun. That'll bring back ideas similar to tank ekko which was aids. Nerfing Yasuo is a good idea, but his E is completely balanced and isn't the reason why people hate him so much. They should be targetting actual issues as I've stated.

0921 votes

Having a win rate over 50% isn't really balanced in my opinion. Yasuo has one of the most remarkable Mid - Late games, but also has one of the best early. Definitely nerfing him in ways such as Q Duration on stacks, and regeneration time on passive shield and duration of wind wall can DEFINITELY balance him and make him not so strong early and make the player play a lot safer in some scenerios, and make his mid-late game bearable.

PhantomGG1 votes

Honestly I always felt the best way to nerf Yasuo would be to increase the E range onto minions but Decrease it onto champions. The biggest issue players have with Yasuo is his lane phase. He can just get ontop of you, and you honestly have no way to get away from him. Nerfing the E range would help a lot for it would give players a lot more room to work with to space themselves away from him.

0921 votes

I think that would just make Yasuo a tad bit weird. This idea would probably make people hate him even more since he can dash out of a gank easier. I think the way they programmed his Sweeping blade is perfect and it's absolutely balanced.

sakwoya1 votes

Yeah nerfing the E range would gut him. What about making it so everyone can see the dash cooldown on units? That would definitely be more fair for the enemy since they wouldn't feel like he can just dash on a whim .

Yaśuo Main1 votes

He's only above 50% win rate in top lane, he's below 50% in his own intended lane.

0921 votes

Top lane consists of Tanks and with Yasuo getting a PD ( pretty strong item ) and I.E, he can always use his armor pen stats. Nerfing his Armor Penetration would make him more balanced in some scenerios or maybe increasing the pricing of the items?

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