Singed new patch Utilize or Nerf?

Lord Coco Nut·7/14/2017, 7:08:54 PM·1 votes·779 views

This thread has been made in memory of Shen , Sion RIP

Hi guys, I got a few questions so dont beat me for them.

I am singed main for over two years and i really got some complains about latest patch that riot made to him. I really want to know what do they want to have off those changes. Lets start complain about first utilization and that is his passive.

Passive Many people complained about his OLD passive. Even i think that passive was old and pretty weak. So RIOT decided to change it for two seconds speed up on champion contact. I think that this passive change is pretty much complete remove of his passive. Lets see why.

First that passive gots 20 percent speed up on champion contact. So if you want to chase someone with this passive, you have to go for him first. When 
you are chasing someone, you are going to flying him anyway. So before flying even ends, your speed up is pretty much at the end.

Second when you want to use this passive to chase someone in team fight, you wanna stack it up first by passing thru your teamate. The problem is in 
most team fights you are moving with your teamates and waiting for right moment. Since this passive gots 10s cooldown, you gonna waste it before you 
will even start any chasing or something. And since it doesnt stack, even if you come, get passive by all your teamates and you got maybye 5 meters benefit. Ends before you will even reach any enemy. So using this passive to catch enemy in teamfight is unpossible.

Third when you want to use this in your lane. Mostly you got some champions like Darius, Riven, Kennen, Renekton etc. All those champions got some sort of stun or imobilization. Darius will hook you and your passive is without any use. Kennen and other similar champions are long range and Kennen got even stun in his slave. So passive is useless. Renekton have stun. He stuns you and passive ends before you will even wake up of stun. Riven dashes on you using her stun. Before stunn ends, your passive is pretty much at the end. Btwl this passive wont help you in her dashing galery. And so on and so on.

Fourth when you want to use this when you get gangs. Then look at third reason and add red buff slow. Let me gues how this passive will be usefull. All of this ends up by providing swiftness boots as recomended.

Riot said that his new passive making singed not reliable on mana items and gives him more free build. I man when the build was not free. Building mana was just up to palyer tactic. By the way rod of ages for example was really nice. It gaves you many health, mana and ability poewer. Was pretty much still core item which made you be able to paly against any kind of champ ad X ap. Now you are not going to build it cause it will not give you more hp then that %%%ot tanky mask item 3800 . By the way. You will build some mana items anyway because his abilities like E or W are just expensive on mana as hell. You gonna use 5 spells and you have to go home for resuplies. So i have to ask. Is that really like you have much more free choice, or that you are limited in your build? Who gonna buil frozen heart on singed now?

Please RIOT if you want to destroy hi spassive, give him at least some permanent movement speed bonus or some tenacity resist. This would be much better. Or just give him back his old passive.

Mega adhesive

Mega adhesive got also some repalcments. Now it gots flat 40 percent slow and grounding ability. I mean really utilization or NERF?!? When you were using mega adhesive, it was for you wanna throw someone into it to make him rooted. Or you wanted to slow enemy team from running or slow enemy team for allow your team to escape. But that was possible with 75 percen slow on max level. Now when you got 40 percent slow no champion can stay there for more then 1 max 2 seconds if you land it good. According to its range is pretty much unposible to catch someone with it when hes running away from you and is a bit far. You gonna land it for max 1/2 of its size. So 1 second and hes gone. 75 percent slow was really nice utilization for team. Now its only item 3025 passive, which you cant jump off. The problem is, gauntles passive is much better cause you always land it properly, it doesnt cost you mana and it got low cd. Mega adhesive got 30 percent potential of gauntle passive :).

Poison trail Lets say its actually good. But in my opinion this is just a joke. I mean it would be considered as a little buff. But let me see. Max level was 140 dmg before i think? Now its 120. But you gonna build more tanky items cause you are not suppose to build ROA now. So exampel of full build in my gameplays are like item 3111 item 3151 item 3800 item 3001 item 3068 and item 3116 but mostly you need item 3075 anyway. Soo let me count it s 80 + 75 = 155 ap. In old count it was +93dmg now its +124 dmg. Thats 233dmg in old count and 244 in old count. Thats nice but. Lets say its in late game. I dont really think that 14 dmg more is some win. But it would be considered a little buff. If the old passive would be up and you were be building like ROA, Rylai and Liandris then it would be nice cause of recounts. Now its actually even weaker. With roa it would be 293 dmg in old count. In new it would be 324. Thats much better. But i wont build it now so lets say in old you had 293 dmg now you got 244. If you build more ap, thats ok go for it. But expect tons of gangs in early and weak late game in team fights. So i say let the realights go.

I think thats all in cube. The new singed is pretty much nerfed. Sure there are those who says 'Singed is op..' i think that singed is one of the most nerfed champs which is even more hard to play and weaker cause nerfed Mega Adhesive and actually removing his Passive Completly.

Summary In my opinion new patch bring us first champion in history who dont have his main passive ability. Singed . Now i have another season to get singed utilezd again. Thanks so much RIOT. Please stop destroying good champs and bring something better.

16 Comments

LostFr0st7/14/2017, 7:16:29 PM2 votes

Pretty sure with new Singed it's important that you DON'T flip immediately.

The new passive allows you to play with them first, and then flip as they scramble away a bit, and while that happens the passive will come off cd again if you path properly and walk with them throughout.

p.s. item 3800 sucks since now the MS pops when you finally get your passive off on them. It's more than likely a waste of an item slot now compared to the likes of item 3102 item 3083 item 3190 item 3109 item 3060 item 3742 <--- any of these items.

LyingOnLine7/14/2017, 7:23:19 PM2 votes

TL; DR: so-called singed main can't write worth shit, can't accurately assess impact of massive buffs.

eviltunafish7/14/2017, 7:37:37 PM2 votes

im singed main for 4 years and 4 years in diamond.passive is amazing.new singed laning phase is pure trash after hotfix but late game hes alot more uslefull than before.you just need to build ap and not tank.tank singed got nerfed and ap singed buffed. try this build,thornmail,abysal mask,rylai,lyandris,void staff,swiftness boots.and now take flash instead ghost