Graves is dead when the update is out

Hencho101·Oct 29, 2015·2 votes·1,292 views

WTF RIOT!!!!!! Graves is not going to EVER do anything when this comes out. He can't aa when he has no shells he doesn't get more as from his E he loses the Q burst R know knocks you back so thats now used for when they are at 1 health and not as an engage he is losing it ALL. There just a few buffs but ALLOT of nurfs to his kit. I am a graves main and i think he will be DEAD just DEAD he can't CS he can't trade he can't be played any more. I think that if they just buff his stats and just keep his kit as it is he would be in a fine spot but i don't think he can be played.

27 Comments

RebonackOct 29, 20156 votes

I seem to recall topics like this resulting in Garen, Skarner, and Darius being broken as balls.

Stuff it until you actually have a week's worth of play time on the remakes, OP.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I'll try but graves is one of if not my FAVORITE champs in the game and i don't want him to go away

RebonackOct 29, 20151 votes

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I'll try but graves is one of if not my FAVORITE champs in the game and i don't want him to go away

I'm a Koggy main and he's getting some pretty major changes, too.

Just wait it out.

See what happens.

Near as I can tell, Riot is just taking our champions and focusing them even tighter onto what makes them them.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I've play graves for a long time now and i don't want to relearn him and fail with him. For all i know he can't be agro in the lane. He may be the new vayne for all i know :(. I'm an early game guy, i like to just REK the early game and then get fed and have fun. But if its now "graves can't do anything early game so you HAVE to farm or you will just die" i don't like that champ any more.

OverpoweredSoapOct 29, 20152 votes

The changes haven't even hit the PBE yet, could be shitty or could be horrendously overpowered.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I don't see how it could be OP tho

C9 Scott Free Oct 29, 20151 votes

His late game basically says "dont dive me" If you are above 50% crit with CDR then you are going to hit them with every shell at close range on crit. So it starts off with 1.1 TD plus 33% of that for each bullet which means that on regular AA alone he is going to do 2.2 TAD and then you add 6 more bullets and he is doing over 3times his TAD and then he can just ult and get out probably killing any assassin that tries to dive him with the first auto alone and ult.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

Maby but i don't like how the lane will go, you can't CS so you can't get items

C9 Scott Free Oct 29, 20151 votes

I did notice that his CS acquistion is going to be a little rough. I think he is going to be more reliant on Geometry charges with his Q for farming coupled with a targons support most likely for optimal gold acquisition. That's just how I see it anyway. What do I know, I am pure garbage at this game?

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I'm not the best at the game ether so were in the same boat :)

C9 Scott Free Oct 29, 20151 votes

You didn't make fun of me for being silver trash? I am scared now.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I'm silver so i can't say "lol silver noob git gud fucktard" or anything like that

C9 Scott Free Oct 29, 20151 votes

I legit dont feel like trying to climb past S5 at the moment because the more games you played the more negatively going even in your promos affect you. I have like 60 ranked games maybe 70 and will just take my border and worry about going for gold next season. What about you?

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

Same with me. I CAN'T get gold so the only thing i'm doing ranked for is so i know if i can play a champ well or if i suck with that champ and i shouldn't play him in my promos

MarthianOct 29, 20152 votes

People said the same thing about Fiora when she was reworked and look at her now.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

I never saw anything for fiora being bad? Was this the case?

MarthianOct 29, 20153 votes

Yes because people were saying that it would be extremely difficult to hit vital points. There's also the fact that her ult doesn't make her invulnerable while doing a ton of damage anymore (that ult was absolutely toxic and needed to go anyways. There is no good argument to letting her keep it.)

Binxy PrimeOct 29, 20151 votes

I think the ammo system is going to make it difficult to CS and trade in lane, but his best case might be insane, depends on his mana costs and stuff.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

That may be the case but that changes his play style ALLOT and that's why i like him. I liked darius ALLOT then the update happened and i can't play him now. I just don't want to keep having to find knew mains and play them, learn them, like them, buy a skin for them, they are changed and i can't play them anymore.

Binxy PrimeOct 29, 20151 votes

Graves and lucian play pretty similarly and they arent really changing lucian, so if all you are interested in is the playstyle try him.

Hencho101Oct 29, 20151 votes

If graves is bad then i own lucian, i like lucian and i will main lucian. He is my 2ed fav ADC