Shaco rework

XxJAYDEATHxX··3 votes·5,089 views

Shaco's w needs to be reworked jack in the box is really useless in a tight spot something like a fear that could be instant cast or area effect that silence's opponents and does a bit of damage over time or causes his damage to become true damage for a short period of time you could call it dark Pierce or evil aura look what ever rework you at riot decide to make anything would be better then the jack in the box concept I look forward to see what feed back riot gives us on this and would be interesting to see if a rework is put in to play and what they come up with overall shaco is a grate champion but that w could be a lot better

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Mr BossmanJr4 votes

That's his most iconic skill. I checked your stats and noticed you are iron 2. No offence to you, but I recommend you get some practice before making statements such as that. Thank you for your time.

Lofty3052 votes

2 months later i checked... iron 3 lmao

Febos2 votes

It's really hard to understand what you meant. There's no ponctuation or structure to your text.

Anyway, as much as I can tell, you're talking about his W in particular. My main complaint about his W is how some items interact with it, in specific Oracle/Control. It's really unfair how easy it is to "kill" AP Shaco (in lane). All you need is one of those items and the JitB are rendered (mostly) useless.

To understand what I mean, let's think about Teemo and Jhin. Both of them have traps in their kit, R and W respectively. Both of those traps are revealed by Oracle, but you can still trigger them while they're being revealed. With Shaco is something completely different. Not only will they activate, thus losing the ability to fear (detection range is that large), but they'll also decay after being revealed. Essentially, you activate that item in lane and, for the next 10 seconds, destroy the only thing AP Shaco can use to kill you.

I know how frustating it is to play against AP Shaco. That's the reason why they added the interaction to being with. My suggestion for this problem is simple. Instead of activating the traps, disable them. In essence, a melee champion could go near it and not activate it because the JitB would be disabled. However, you'd still need to destroy the trap itself if you wanted to remove it. This is what happens with both Teemo and Jhin, so I don't understand why Shaco should be any different.

######Another annoying thing is Spellthief. That item doesn't proc with Shaco's W. This shouldn't be the case, but I can live without Spellthief.

XxJAYDEATHxX1 votes

I think the jax in the box should be completely replaced hence shaco being useless in team fights

Febos3 votes

I don't think they'll remove the JitB. It's very iconic to Shaco. More, they definitely hinted at something similar to them in his updated short bio.

the once-kind puppet finds pleasure only in the misery of the poor souls he torments. He uses toys and simple tricks to deadly effect

I'm positive they'll keep the JitB in some way. I'd be amazed if they removed them.

VAG133431 votes

Shaco needs a buff for sure, but changing his playstyle and team fight isn't a thing that will make him better. Shaco is ment to be an assasin that can bait people into his w and outplay them! His team fight isn't good cause if it was he was going to be a 100% pick or ban champion that is op af!

Gildarzt2 votes

No, true damage is a bad idea and fear it's part of the identity of the clown

XxJAYDEATHxX1 votes

Well they have given Kayle true damage so a clown with fear and true damage to any feared units would be amazing but instead of having the jack in the box have it as an Aura effect that works for a couple of seconds

MurphyOG2 votes

Im not sure why we talk so much about in lane ap shaco when its next to irrelevant to the majority of shaco players that play jungle. Lets just not focus on a laning shaco because PinkWard is the big boy in lane with him. Shaco literally does such bad damage early and even late when built anyone who is building armor wont have too much of a problem denying Shaco. Clearing camps can be done well but only by a shaco that has invested a large amount of hours into the champ and even then most shaco players can tell you his clearing is brutal.. In order to win/carry games with Shaco you need to be 110% on ur game or else you just wont do enough damage to properly fight with ur team. Any small mistakes on shaco are heavily punished which as a shaco one trick is understandable and I love the craft but Shaco overall feels absolutley horrible and its hard to stress that when we only have a 2% pick rate and most players don't want the champ to be any good because a good shaco can ruin your day. But sadly again you have to be 110% on ur game to be relevant for the most part. Fix the ability bugs and give the champ some better base stats and stop nerfing his damn items. Thanks :D

MurphyOG1 votes

And then we introduce champions that get to use anyones ult thats in their game and does ridiculous damage with CC and an ability that heals again a ridiculous amount. IDK.. Game is getting pretty dry with the lack of creativity and brutal updates one after another. Sure it's not easy balancing a game like this but try acknowledging some important things rather than buffing the shit out of popular champs then making the next patch a nerf on the champ you just buffed. Why is everyother patch just a correction to bad updates. Thanks. Make Shaco great again.. (not even great.. just half decent will do)

XxJAYDEATHxX1 votes

Let me know what you think guys I'd like to see what concept's you think would work better for his w

Sevenvoices0403 votes

Make his W stackable like Teemo's mushroom. and maybe give it a longer CD

boricCentaur11 votes

Yeah the w is one of the most annoying parts of his kit, fear in general is a bad mechanic and also does not fit a trickster. Maybe replace it with ability that does damage around him and gives nearsight to enemies. I also feel bad for who ever gets the job of reworking him.

XxJAYDEATHxX1 votes

Yeah that's my point a buff that fears and gives true damage to anything feared he is an asn so it would fit his kit well to have him ignore armor for a short period of time

Sevenvoices0401 votes

I have a better suggestion. Allow his W to stack like Teemo mushroom, and increase the CD to compensate.

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