Lane Nidalee Is Not Forgotten, Riot Needs To Do Something

Bruiser Nid·5/9/2019, 11:14:14 PM·27 votes·12,605 views

r/NidaleeMains - The Current State of Nidalee (super minion after 25 minutes)

Nidalee players are not asking for a Nidalee revert, but some changes made to Nidalee to give power back to lane Nidalee while keeping Jungle Nidalee from being busted. Please join the discussion with solutions to help Nidalee be viable in the Lane, as well as Jungle. Most of Nidalee's current problems stem from the Hunt passive being feast or famine, leaving nearly no room for Lane Nidalee in League of Legends without Jungle Nidalee being OP.

55 Comments

Daddy ReTaric5/10/2019, 12:31:35 AM12 votes

Nidalee was first a mid laner and a lot of players were playing her mid lane back then. She was way more satisfying than the jungler she became. She have zero utility in jungle position and remain fairly squishy . Her kit scream poke, where mid is the best role for that. She was also played top lane tank, not that I agree it was a fair thing but it was less crippling than her current role.

WindLord70705/10/2019, 2:07:40 AM11 votes

There are plenty of past posts with lots of examples of things that can be done to fix her as well. Riot you need to listen.

Done255/10/2019, 12:21:49 PM9 votes

Her traps could stand to be better. Reverting them back to the current hp% system, or having them inflict a decaying slow, or...

Emo Twink5/10/2019, 4:53:54 AM9 votes

YEA I want midalee badly, shes a champ who I like a lot but dislike jungle..

Bruiser Nid5/11/2019, 3:10:47 PM9 votes

Riot, us Nidalee players are awaiting responses. We have given many ways to fix Nidalee on the last 3+ boards posts and reddit posts.

AINT NO SHEEP5/10/2019, 7:42:34 PM9 votes

I hope to see Nidalee and Warwick in the next patch... But we'll probably have changes on Aatrox and Urgot.

Morbys5/11/2019, 2:13:43 AM9 votes

The problem, is they have too many champions to balance. And they completely change gameplay without looking how it will affect every champion b/c there are too many. Given the amount of dmg in the game is atm, she is quite the niche pick. And the only reason she does terrible in lower ranks is b/c lanes feed hard before she can even become powerful. Maybe reverting nids spear dmg would do well for her, theyve changed it so its pretty hard to hit, would improve the feast or famine or her gameplay if not a little bit. And it was changed b/c it was killing off newbs who didnt ward. Now that their changes don't even take low elo into consideration, might as well revert the dmg.

Penta Penguin5/10/2019, 11:39:03 AM9 votes

Mid lane Nidalee was the first champ I ever played in League

Mid Nidalee5/12/2019, 8:14:35 PM8 votes

https://www.reddit.com/r/NidaleeMains/comments/bntdo6/looking_at_years_upon_years_of_lane_nidalee_nerfs/

Another thread about lane Nidalee has started. Will Riot care or listen or should we find a new game to play?

Mid Nidalee5/10/2019, 3:51:50 AM8 votes

Come on Riot, It has been over 4 years since I have had my baby playable. I played 2k Ranked games in season 3, now I average 50~ ish ranked games per season with the lack of Lane Nidalee to viably enjoy.

There are quite a few ways to fix Nidalee and there are so many posts outlining how!

Mordekaiser695/10/2019, 3:56:13 AM8 votes

Having a cat dive at you from 700ish range and getting 1 shot feels a lot worse than having to dodge the spear twice to not die.

The cast time is slower, and the spear is more narrow, we can afford some of the damage back later game. The spear visual should be narrowed to match the hit box as well.

Gàylörd5/10/2019, 10:42:03 PM8 votes

I've hardly ever have touched the champion, but playing against it way back when was incredibly annoying. That being said, that was mostly due to spears being invisible and the projectile being a bit faster I think. Also Nidalee's pounce movement was kind of ridiculous at points.

Maybe it's just the old player in me, but it feels wrong to just remove a champion from their original lane altogether. Despite how massive reworks tend to be nowadays, usually champions are able to be played in the lane and role they typically used to be in. Even Aatrox, a champion that was more akin to Yasuo or Fiora in playstyle in his previous iteration still finds a home top lane, despite his playstyle being much more like Riven's.

With the release of Zoe, it stands to reason that there should be a way to bring Nidalee back into mid lane without making her too unhealthy to play against. I believe the post here mentions that at one point, Nidalee had 50% winrates in top, mid, and jungle post rework, meaning that at the very least, Nidalee was playable in her intended role.

However, it seems like she was shoved into the jungle similarly like Graves and Taliyah, isolating avid Nidalee players. Since we're pretty much on the revert train with champions like Leblanc, Rengar, and even the upcoming Zac ult revert, it stands to reason that perhaps Riot could move power around in her "power budget" to allow her to lane again.

That being said, a full-on revert is not to be expected, nor is what some of these older players want. I don't think anybody wants to really isolate other players and remove Nidalee from the jungle entirely. I think most people would be fine with having Nidalee even being strongest in the jungle, so long as she is playable in lane. As of current, I think that's incredibly difficult to do, seeing as a lot of the tools she had to survive lane were heavily nerfed due to abuse in the jungle, if I'm not mistaken.

All that being said, I'm by no means a Nidalee player and I wouldn't be surprised if I got something wrong here or there. It just kind of bums me out sometimes that Riot sometimes alienates portions of their player base with their changes.

Bruiser Nid5/12/2019, 12:19:29 AM8 votes

Another thread was made by a Nidalee player on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NidaleeMains/comments/bngzon/how_would_nidalee_from_patch_52_perform_in_todays/

I don't see this slowing down.

Mordekaiser695/12/2019, 7:27:01 PM8 votes

Still looking for Red response

Thurgo5/12/2019, 11:51:10 PM6 votes

Giving Nidalee the ability to lane.. maybe by removing some of her snowballing potential would be awesome! I think her problems mostly lie along the Hunt passive and execute damage, and the heal is really weak now for laning, her MP5 could use a buff.

Gàylörd5/12/2019, 8:30:39 PM6 votes

I think the hunt passive pounce is Nidalee's main problem, how do you get away from a champion that can fly? Dodge the spear, the trap? It would be better if you had to dodge multiple spears. When she gets ahead she can't stop killing people with the no skill jump.

Gàylörd5/13/2019, 3:12:52 AM6 votes

The main problem with current Nidalee is a 700 range pounce that locks you onto the hunted target, and Nidalee has too much damage loaded into executing targets.

This means when Nidalee gets ahead, she can't be stopped. She jumps across and 1 shots anybody who gets the hunt on them which isn't fair to the enemy nor fun for the Nidalee player.

Nidalee would be more fun to play against and to play if you had to land multiple spears instead of 1 spear/trap and then flying into them.

SheepBot5/13/2019, 3:27:07 AM5 votes

In the past, Riot has reverted champion reworks that promoted unhealthy gameplay. I think Nidalee falls under this premise.

I do not play Nidalee, but playing against Nidalee seems to be unhealthier than it was back in the day when a spear would take a carry out of a fight, I believe they have nerfed the projectile some so it shouldn't be that bad if damage returns.

CasterGilgamesh5/10/2019, 10:48:15 PM5 votes

i kinda want to see Support Nid rise up! but i guess thats too much to ask for i mean she has a heal and trap to help with vision just buff her heal and traps and she could be really strong sup

Neamean5/10/2019, 7:57:22 AM3 votes

Which lane nidalee are we talking about. Top btrk/tri, mid ap snipe nuke, supp healbot/poke.

Other Acc Banned5/13/2019, 3:52:21 AM3 votes

Spears used to be invisible from FOG in seasons 1-4 when Nidalee was a problem. That is no longer the case and they are harder to land because they are more narrow and cast time is doubled. How about adding damage back to it and taking from Cougar?

GhostOfTsushima5/9/2019, 11:23:38 PM2 votes

Riot should not forget that Morgana is also a Jungler, join this discussion for a solution [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Crasken5/13/2019, 4:17:05 AM2 votes

Mid lane Nidalee is the most fun iteration of Nidalee.

Unlawful Salmon5/10/2019, 6:12:27 PM1 votes

I wouldn't mind her getting a few changes as I rarely see her anymore, but I do remember the absolute terror she used to be and I would never want that to return.

GripaAviara5/10/2019, 10:36:39 AM1 votes

I don't know why people want to push nidalee in lane. She doesn't have a lane kit and that's OK. Udyr, Ammumu, etc don't have a lane kit and people don't want to push them in lane.

Nidalee works fine as a support for secondary role if someone really wants to use her inlane.

What Nidalee needs is a little boost to her lategame, because atm is ridiculous how you can do everything right with a not so easy champ, just to be useless past the 25 min mark when you can take Hecarim, Kayne, etc which are easier and more rewarding

Komoriri5/10/2019, 9:05:46 AM1 votes

Main Problems:

Safe Waveclear Nid has no way to clear a minion wave from a moderately safe distance making her incredible vulnerable when farming.
No way to poke Her spear stops on the first Unit hit, her W might as well not exist on the lane. She has no reliable way of setting up kills or even pressure her oponent as her only real gapcloser for the cougar is also reliant on her Spear and Trap.
Missing game Interaction With missing CC she brings nothing but dmg to the game which absolutely falls off hard in the late once oversaturation in damage mitigation and heal is reached. People jntentionally walk in her traps to disarm them because they deal so little damage.

Cactus Merchant5/10/2019, 8:38:44 PM1 votes

Good tbh. I used to hate Nidalee forcing me to play frogger the entire lane and being safe from any gank or mistake with her pounces. She wasn't fun to play against and not fun to play with since she generally did whatever and stole kills from afar (not to mention she fell off after starving people). Honestly the Yasuo before Yasuo. I'm glad she's like this and I hope she stays that way.