Kindred rework is actually a massive nerf

EspeonLover320·May 25, 2017·8 votes·6,387 views

As a kindred main, I think the new Kindred is just going to be one massive nerf. The way Kindred is played now is fine. But reworking Kindred they're just going to make her weaker against tanks due to her percent health damage being fucked over. The reason Kindred does so well in the late game is because of her marks, even if she doesn't, getting a BORK can help a rediculous amount. She can do so much but most people don't know how she works. Now she's becoming a champion that just "Be a less toxic Riven and slam your head on the keyboard". I don't agree with the "rework" at all. Who else is with me?

20 Comments

Dprah20Jun 2, 20175 votes

she feels soo much weaker now :(

AvienalMay 25, 20174 votes

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As a kindred main, I think the new Kindred is just going to be one massive nerf. The way Kindred is played now is fine. But reworking Kindred they're just going to make her weaker against tanks due to her percent health damage being fucked over. The reason Kindred does so well in the late game is because of her marks, even if she doesn't, getting a BORK can help a rediculous amount. She can do so much but most people don't know how she works. Now she's becoming a champion that just "Be a less toxic Riven and slam your head on the keyboard". I don't agree with the "rework" at all. Who else is with me?

Lets look over the logic: -Kindred will be less reliant on a special gimmick to cover her damage and instead will build raw damage that might also make her just as viable with using item 1412 instead since her Q will let her gain a insane amount of attack speed burst from her Q.

-Kindred will now gain 'range boosts' per 4 hu-(OH WAIT ITS 2 STACKS NOW) that not only increase her auto attack range but also the range of her abilites, Her Q is going to get a big 'range' increase and still retain its reduced CD while W wolf field is active, possibly allow Wolf field in W to persist even after kindred leaves the field to allow her to 'throw' wolf, but make it more set so only when she uses Q inside the wolf field is when she gets the reduced cool down.

-She will now have a 'threshold boost' with her W and E being affected by her stack system and not just her Q and 'autos'. Such as in the form where W could be used to peel off some of the high health of a enemy and her E can be used as a execute by dealing missing health damage (8% which increases by .5% per mark stack which could become as high as 15% by a standard'ish 14 marks in mid-late game)

-Alongside the missing health 'bonus' on E, the damage that E will have a +50% bonus if the target is below 15% which can be increased by .5% per crit where a item 3046 this to below 30%. Include a item 3031 or item 3508 and that brings it to a whooping 40% execute line, on top of the missing health bonus line.

The kit now synergies more with her marksman style where the old one pretty much had no actual need for building high damage items or critical hit since it would have barely any interaction purposes since i don't believe her passive % dmg bonus would apply to critical hits. Even at release she was more of a marksman/Assassin that truly embraced the style of a actual marksman in the jungle, not some marksman who had a kit unintentionally strong in the jungle. She was not exactly overpowered too much but her kit did not exactly put her in a good point (not alot of upfront damage, not much on high CC measures beyond itemization, etc. If she could not stick to her opponent or keep within range of them then she'd be unable to auto attack their health down.

Though i might miss how the current kindred is at the moment, i still felt like her kit did not do much of a job on using her gimmick that much, hell i still want her R to gain bonuses based on the marks she has to let her give her team mates a better chance while opponents less of a boon compared to herself and her allies while in the field.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

EspeonLover320May 25, 20171 votes

Except you get item 1416 on her for the ridiculous chase potential with item 3022 . So sorry nothing here. Nice try though

RewtMay 25, 20171 votes

omg you have to change your build path! what a ridiculous statement! Its almost like with the NEW build path she will be stronger since she has the Attack speed steroid on her Q allowing her to go Warrior for better early game damage and dueling potential.

EspeonLover320May 25, 20171 votes

Are you mastery 7 with kindred? Cause I have gone warrior and it sucks ass

TinseiMay 30, 20171 votes

I am, and I've done well with it, got 5 S's in 6-8 games, 3 consecutively, and since have defaulted to it when i think I'll have trouble getting marks or against an all squishy team

SpârkyMay 30, 20171 votes

but warrior on the new kindred will be fine. Right now yes warrior isnt that good but with this new rework warrior will be better. You've gotta be able to flex your build path based on what is really good on the champ. Right now your build is fine. But after the rework you will have to change it otherwise it will be outdated and wont be as good.

ILikeButtsJun 1, 20172 votes

Because being a mastery 7 Kindred immediately makes you a professional on the matter

KindAppleWolfJun 4, 20171 votes

On new kindred easyer get 2.5 atack speed onhit midgame than build all this stuff you offered .IF Riot games want her bee adc than change mark system so she can be played on botlane , and it will make some sence .Or revert her old jungle playstyle what alot of people like .Or change jungle back when you could powerfarm , otherwise she wont survive in this meta of Elise and Lee sin that gank all day long .

The Wise CiceroJun 2, 20174 votes

Yea I totally agree at least for the time being because I'm not able to figure out how she works but to be honest i miss the tank shredding kindred i loved especially since I was having so much success in ranked. :/

OtherworldzMay 25, 20172 votes

It depends on playstyle but generally yeah it is a nerf.

The issue is kindred is designed to be a team fighting hypercarry, but is played more like a tank shredding skirmisher. They're trying to improve her team fighting, at the cost of dueling and ganking potential.

EspeonLover320May 25, 20175 votes

She works well in team fights. Just staying in the back line is difficult with her but that's what makes her so fun

KindAppleWolfJun 4, 20171 votes

Well you are totaly right .Op.gg her winrate on Euw are 44 or so .And all mains that are best on her start to drop in winrate .But riot games know what thay are doing as always " FIXED CHAMPION SO ITS WILL BE MORE PLAYABLE " or " AS IT WAS INTENDED" .Riot games Im telling To your bronze balance team hello ^_^ .

PermabannedGarenJun 4, 20171 votes

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Well you are totaly right .Op.gg her winrate on Euw are 44 or so .And all mains that are best on her start to drop in winrate .But riot games know what thay are doing as always " FIXED CHAMPION SO ITS WILL BE MORE PLAYABLE " or " AS IT WAS INTENDED" .Riot games Im telling Tour bronze balance team hello ^_^ .

Aatrox was shit after his rework too, but after some tuning he is now much stronger than he was before.

Warwick was also performing very poorly after his rework, 42% win rate, and despite not getting a single buff is now shown to be very strong.

Kindred may not end up that way, but it's been like, what, two or three days? That's not nearly enough time to say if her rework failed or not.

KindAppleWolfJun 4, 20172 votes

Do you realize that winrates drops are just bcs people trying it out ? .Atrox had winrates drops for same reason .But mains dint drop any winrates on new atrox bcs he dont spend %hp as it was before .Atrox was actualy harder to play before rework .While Kindred was easyer to play before rework . Feeling the difference ? And ww was completely reworked he had totaly new kit and literaly everyone figured him out .Kindred now is jungle Adc , it means she needs to powerfarm jungle and get marks if she are extremely lucky .The only way you can Powerfarm jungle as kindred with her kit its rushing Runans .While Old kindred had options .She could Hunt marks and risk for ganks and get good reward for that .Riot games dont want her 2 be skirmish jungler while all best junglers are skirmishers and dualists ( thare is no place for adc in jungle )

Kitsunes LustJul 14, 20171 votes

i am a OLD kindred jungle main, and a deadly one at that. i used to make her broken and absolutely destroy any of the meta champions, and i built her to where if i got 10-15 stacks, i can do 60% current HP bonus physical damage per second with 321 AD and 2.5 attack speed with my build. PER SECOND! i could melt anybody i wanted regardless of who it was, even tanks. I could solo slain baron and elder flawlessly without taking ANY damage as well, even 5v1 an entire team of tanks. AN ENTIRE TEAM. you had so much potential with old kindred, and she was much more of a threat the more stacks she got, able to shread the crap out of anybody. so. let's do the research with new kindred

Her passive allows you to get bonus range every 3 stacks. SO an average game with kindred, you can get 8-15 stacks at most. that's only 100-150 bonus range making it 600-650, which makes it the same as trist or caitlyn. -Ok. Great. you've made it up to tristianna and caitlyns attack range. good for you. but wait. what's this? if you realize, nearly all fights and team fight ends up less than about 300 units, making this passive...utterly...useless. on top of that, you know how many champions have gap closers/cc? soooo many. and since you have that range, you're staying far behind your allies, and now you're isolated. and boom you're a squishy piece of meat. have fun being cooked lamb <3
Her Q..is actually the only decent thing here. Gives her decent attack speed. -However. this is only for 4 seconds and once that's down, you're fucked because you need a constant and fast attack speed to do damage. an ADCs primary objective is to kill before you get killed. yes, you got some really good AD, but you lack a large base AS, and without that constant high AS, you're gonna die instantly
Her W is where the main damage comes from and her old passive is now placed, at 1.5%+1% per mark of their current HP. On top of that, you can now move wolf wherever. -Great. ya got the old passive now in wolf. However, you can only move wolf as far as your AA range, making that useless as well, since if you're in the middle of a fight, you're guaranteed to be closed ranged, and you're gonna be placing it in the same spot as where you are standing, just like the old W did. On top of that, wolf is STILL easy to dodge. just walk out. plain and simple. walk out of it and he can't do squat. and another thing. she's an ADC. but if that's the case, why is her main damage dealer MAGIC DAMAGE!?!?!? WHY! And on top of that, wolf goes off of 50% of her AS. and if you're building AD and crit and not AS, you're making wolf attack LESS therefore dealing LESS damage than if you had a constant HIGH attack speed like old kindred.
Her E is also like her W. has decent amount of power 3 hits to do the % damage.
But look at that. all her power is from her W and her E. isn't an ADCs job to kill your enemy through a rapid series of Auto attacks? how can you call kindred an ADC if all her power is focused on the side character and not the champion you're PLAYING. Yes, you got some damage, but you don't have the AS to support that damage.
on top of that, since she can't do %HP through her rapid AA, and now having to heavily depend on W and E now, and since that's only temporary, only lasting 8 seconds with a huge cooldown, and once that goes off, you're pretty much dead. you depend SO much on W and E now, if you get silenced, or you're out of mana, your auto attacks aren't doing squat because your %HP is in your spells now.
an adcs power comes from their Auto attacks to be honest. Vayne, xayah, kalista, trist. they are all very strong and all their power comes from AA, while their spells allow them to deal follow up damage or have gap closers. Kindred relies WAY too much on her W and E to be a real ADC. And with tanks being now in meta, old kindred could deal with them easily with at least 7 stacks. but with this new kindred, she CANNOT deal with tanks at all and cannot damage them at all now that her AA don't do much damage at all to them.
and because of the fact she now depends on "range" now, she heavily relies on teammates to use them as meat sheilds even MORE, making her not a carry since she needs to be behind allies to survive, since she's still really squishy. from caitlyn players i've vs'd against, they all crawled behind their allies.

also, i just watched 2017 EU LCS summer split Misfits Vs Unicorns of Love, and kindred didn't even use Enchantment warrior (red smite) and instead used the original Enchantment bloodrazor like before and still built heavy AS, on top of that, kindred never even fought as soon as her W and E went on CD. as soon as W and E went on CD, UOL Xerxe just ran away. why? because he knew he can't do any damage with W on CD. And he vs'd MSF Han Sama Varus in JG forcefully, and didn't even get him down to 50% before she died. and her jungle clears even at level 11, were STILL slow, compared to old kindred, couldn't even team slain baron in time and was instead stolen by MSF Maxlore because kindred wasnt fast or powerful enough because of lack of AS and %HP damage. new kindred even took 7 seconds to clear a buff at lvl 11. you should be able to kill a buff in 3 seconds easily. New kindred in that game couldn't even get a kill. This is evidence on why new kindred is pure crap no matter how you look at it. She needs her power to come from her AA not her W and E. Riot, i am very dissapointed in you, if i could get a refund on kindred, i will instantly. i'm really upset with this rework.

Mr 1 hitSep 27, 20171 votes

Kindred is not a girl neither a boy, so don't say "her" plz :D.[katarina-love]

0Winter0Aug 6, 20181 votes

its a girl cant u hear her voice?

VoraciousXAug 6, 20181 votes

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its a girl cant u hear her voice?

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i hate riot for nerfing kindred she completely weaker now and makes it harder to get alive threw the game , they should probably buff her up a bit

You guys realize this post is over a year old right?

0Winter0Aug 6, 20181 votes

i hate riot for nerfing kindred she completely weaker now and makes it harder to get alive threw the game , they should probably buff her up a bit Kindred