Elise is overnerfed

C9 Scott Free ·Mar 29, 2015·17 votes·1,259 views

Or Vi is OP. One of the two. If I can't solo with a level gold and item advantage early game there is a serious problem with one of these champs. I suspect is is more Elise being overnerfed.

18 Comments

Reynard the ƒoxMar 29, 20155 votes

On the other hand, those titties are about as OP as it gets.

Penguin EclipseMar 29, 20153 votes

I'd say both. But soloing Vi early game typically isn't a problem for me as Elise though I usually try to avoid it. Vi's not fun to play against no matter who you are playing.

khorneyMar 29, 20152 votes

She is over nerfed in my opinion . I stopped playing her after they made that bs nerf. To her rappel. Its a freaking single target spell why nerf her and Ohh it follows you like it's supposed to . but if you nerf her you have to nerf every other champ in the game to reflect. Elise rappel max range and only max range. I say make it a skill shot but the aoe bigger on the rappel would be practical

Kitten of EvilMar 30, 20152 votes

Yeah, there's no doubt Elise is over-nerfed. And Vi is probably a bit on the too strong side of strong.

WisniaksiadzMar 29, 20151 votes

its all about stun. The best scenario for you is stunning Vi AND break her Q charge. Otherwise you probably lose trade

C9 Scott Free Mar 29, 20151 votes

Landed stun still killed me :(

IcyPepperMar 30, 20151 votes

did you interrupt her Q or waste your stun first?

The combo I see, since Vi typically builds tanky, is to Q E for damage, switch to spider and try to get her to auto your spiderlings as you use W. As as soon as she starts charging, use your spider E to dodge, Q, switch to human and stun. Rinse, wash repeat.

Vi excels at dueling, like Vayne/Gnar does. Elise, however, does not. You got to win the trade, then end it. If Vi decides to waste her ult (it doesn't do as much damage compared to other ults of similar champions) on you, try to use your spider E (to dodge) or peel afterwards.

flibitydooMar 29, 20151 votes

In one of my matches, I saw a 3/0 jungle Twitch die to .

Twitch needs buffs too

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1775343674/37926959?tab=overview

C9 Scott Free Mar 29, 20152 votes

Kinda a counter though

Axel BeoulveMar 30, 20151 votes

Elise Elise is my Waifu so of course there is going to be some biased here....i think that yes she was nerfed too hard comparatively to other jungles such as but honestly is a BS champion. She has an armor shred %hp damage and an attack speed steroid that is a PASSIVE for her w. they just nerfed her damage way too much without nerfing the other competing junglers so Elise just fell into a limbo of being viable only if you are skilled enough to use her in that fashion but honestly the just need to tone down all of the "God Tier" junglers like Fiddlesticks JarvanIV and ESPECIALLY junglers like Nidalee RekSai their clear speeds are rediculous as well as their damage before they actaully get their jungle items. They also need to buff Elise 's clear time just a bit and really just give her more damage and give her the ability to rappel to friendly units aswell like wtf everyother champion has a ward hop or some way to get a way and all you have with Elise outside of the jungle is you press e and sit there for 2 seconds and perish where as RekSai can just burrow away and out run almost anyone or LeeSin just ward hopping away maybe make her stun last longer? maybe raise her damage to jungle camps cap out?

Penguin EclipseMar 30, 20151 votes

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Elise is my Waifu so of course there is going to be some biased here....i think that yes she was nerfed too hard comparatively to other jungles such as but honestly is a BS champion. She has an armor shred %hp damage and an attack speed steroid that is a PASSIVE for her w. they just nerfed her damage way too much without nerfing the other competing junglers so just fell into a limbo of being viable only if you are skilled enough to use her in that fashion but honestly the just need to tone down all of the "God Tier" junglers like and ESPECIALLY junglers like their clear speeds are rediculous as well as their damage before they actaully get their jungle items. They also need to buff 's clear time just a bit and really just give her more damage and give her the ability to rappel to friendly units aswell like wtf everyother champion has a ward hop or some way to get a way and all you have with outside of the jungle is you press e and sit there for 2 seconds and perish where as can just burrow away and out run almost anyone or just ward hopping away maybe make her stun last longer? maybe raise her damage to jungle camps cap out?

I personally don't have a problem with her clear speed. Especially first clear. There are not many other junglers that can clear their entire side and come out with nearly full health.

But being able to use rappel on allies would be very nice.

Saminus MaximusMar 30, 20151 votes

9-0 elise. Got murdered by the 1-0 akali with just a vamp scepter. Kk thats fair. Coincidentally i had been wrecking a vi with smart counterganks and invades.