The new Veigar is acutally useless

Justinph·Feb 25, 2015·8 votes·1,838 views

The new Q isnt too horrible. makes farming it a little bit easier cause you can stack it twice as fast. But his new Stun makes him basically useless. Cant stun people on tower hardly because youll die before it even casts. If you can actually make it to late game without feeding 10 kills in lane because you have no escapes and no way to stop them then he might be viable. But you would have to be going against bots to make it that far. Bring back his old stun and the other changes could stay the same and hed be sufficient enough

16 Comments

Matt The HeroFeb 25, 20153 votes

Do you guys ever think of giving it just a teensy, weensy bit of time to learn how to play Veigar the new way before declaring you can no longer play him the old way and thus he's useless?

JustinphFeb 25, 20154 votes

Because its not about learning to play him with the new changes. It's that now with his new stun, if someone is trying to dive you, you cant instant cast stun and get away, or turn it around and get a kill. There is no chance to do that now with how squishy of a champ he is, if they dive you will die before your stun even casts.

BourmegarFeb 25, 20151 votes

yh well is it fun for the enemy to get stunned before they can react? no its not.

this change is to prevent him from becoming stunbot who was also used in LCS as support

Matt The HeroFeb 25, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Smile Back,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=esEpci7v,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-02-25T21:04:59.133+0000)

Because its not about learning to play him with the new changes. It's that now with his new stun, if someone is trying to dive you, you cant instant cast stun and get away, or turn it around and get a kill. There is no chance to do that now with how squishy of a champ he is, if they dive you will die before your stun even casts.

Except that's literally what it is. You have to adjust when/where you put the stun down to escape.

I'm a Jinx main. Immobile champ with delayed snare that's stuck to 3 spots instead of an AOE ring, yet I seem to get people snared all the time. Figure it out, man.

DrCyanideFeb 25, 20153 votes

And which source of Jinx's damage relies on her landing her chompers? Not one. That the big, big difference here. Jinx's traps make for a good escape or a great way to deal extra damage with more auto attacks, but they aren't nessisary to land her Zap.

If Veigar's W fall time had been reduced, I don't think you'd see nearly the amount of worry, since it might be possible to hit someone with that spell without the stun. As is, I think the worry is justified.

DragfinFeb 25, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Matt The Hero,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=esEpci7v,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-02-25T20:58:29.170+0000)

Do you guys ever think of giving it just a teensy, weensy bit of time to learn how to play Veigar the new way before declaring you can no longer play him the old way and thus he's useless?

The people who bitch and complain in GD will not like anything riot does. It's best to not feed the trolls who feel they know everything.

Justice PoeJun 5, 20151 votes

Its still true.

Quil EvrythingFeb 25, 20152 votes

It was actually fairly difficult to stun a GOOD player, with the old veigar. They just keep moving around too much. Now I'd imagine it's almost impossible.

Quil EvrythingFeb 25, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quil Evrything,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=esEpci7v,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-02-25T21:19:09.363+0000)

It was actually fairly difficult to stun a GOOD player, with the old veigar. They just keep moving around too much. Now I'd imagine it's almost impossible.

PS: if it's about removing stunbots, then this change should only happen when they make taric's stun a skill shot.

LOL SpammerFeb 25, 20152 votes

It was only fairly difficult to stun a good player if you sucked at veigar.

killd0zerFeb 25, 20152 votes

No it wasn't. It was nearly impossible to miss with practice. As in you'd have to mess up really bad to miss.

LOL SpammerFeb 25, 20151 votes

You mean that veigar can't dive people at level 3 anymore, so now he is like every other champion? Oh sucks.

JustinphFeb 25, 20151 votes

you should learn to read before making stupid comments.

coeurloyalFeb 25, 20151 votes

It *is *really hard to hit with the new changes. Especially because anybody with a dash is instantly immune to it... But it's not meant to be an insta-stun anymore. It's a zoning ability and needs to be treated thusly. It does take a tremendous amount of relearning now, because it really hurts your combo against assassins (which means it hurts against the current meta). But now that Q is a skillshot, you should be able to kite away. You almost have to play him like Anivia or Lux.